Floyd Mayweather Jr Told Me "No" - Says Shane Mosley

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He will please all fair minded boxing fans if he comes back and fights at least one top Welterweight. He'll please them even more if he fights two or three top Welters.



All fair minded fans recognise his talents, and his achievements up to 135. Apart from Floyd fans, though, most boxing fans think he hasn't achieved that much since then. And they're sick of hearing about the people he would have beaten if he'd fought them. It's six years since he's fought anyone who was clearly the best in the division.

Don't get me wrong, he's fought very well in his subsequent fights and showed great skills, and deserved his P4P #1 status; but apart from Floyd fans, most boxing fans don't think his level of competition was what it should have been in the last 6 years, especially at Welterweight.


No, you're mixing up fans with haters. Fans want to see him take genuine risks and to challenge himself, that's what all great fighters do; but if he takes genuine risks and wins, they'll give him props for that. Fighting Marquez and even Pac at 147 isn't seen by most boxing fans as a genuine risk (140 would be a different story). Plus real champions defend their titles. He won a lineal championship in 2006 and still hasn't defended it once (apart from against a fighter from a lower weight class), and no fighter would get away with that without their credibility being badly damaged.



People keep quoting a single interview in which a few Welterweight boxers said it was 50/50 - and none gave Floyd no chance - but the fact is that almost every boxing expert at the time predicted Floyd would be much too fast for Boldomir. Here's an example from The Sweet Science at the time. 12 staff writers were asked their opinions, all 12 predicted Floyd would win, and 7 said it would be a very easy win for him. All that other article you keep quoting shows is that boxers are mostly not boxing experts.

Plus the main reason Baldomir is now considered a journeyman is not just because of the way he was beaten by Floyd but because he's looked like a journeyman in every subsequent fight - and because he has 12 losses.

He just got lucky in catching Judah on a bad night and in fighting a shot Gatti above Gatti's weight class.

No neutral boxing fan believes that either Judah or Boldomir at that time even compared at Welterweight with any of the top 4 Welterweights today.

Dave, bottom line Floyd Mayweather Jr is a great boxer who skills are compared to none and it is already a known fact. The reason why people feel that he hasn't been tested is because he hasn't been beaten and as long as he keeps winning people will want him to keep fighting because they will feel there is someone out there that can beat him. It ain't about nothing else. Manny Pacquiao is fighting two fighters Floyd already beat and he is considered a boxing god? Floyd beat a bigger Oscar De La Hoya at his comfortable weight (154) with everything in Oscar's favor
(Ring, weight & gloves). Who fault is it that Floyd made fighters/Boxers look average? You act like all the guys Cotto/Mosley fought were elite fighters? Come on man. Floyd fought his battles at 130 135 and is a definite hall of famer, 140 he looked for Mosley & Mosley didn't want him, Arum said Cotto wasn't ready for Floyd and Hatton, who fault is that?

Baldomir was the recognize champ at 147, who fault is that? if your
a boxer trying to make a career and name for yourself who do you fight? Margarito or Baldomir? Do you really think that Margarito would have beat Floyd? Honestly? I see your point, you want him to fight guys that YOU think can beat him, I know that they wouldn't because I can see the style match ups. Sure I would want to see it and not debating it but come fight night against any Welter my $'s on Floyd. He ain't scared of them guys, he just getting paid. I was hanging out the other night and met that actor kid Josh Hartnett and we were talking about Hatton/Pacquiao, arguing about who was going to win, he had Pacquiao and I had Hatton but when it came to Pac/Floyd discussion bought up by this Phillipino kid me and Josh were on the same side & that was Floyd's.

Dave, face it man, no matter who Floyd fights he's walking away with the W. Roger Mayweather before the Margarito fight was asked who would Floyd like to fight if he comes back & Roger said Cotto (IF he gets past Margarito but didn't) and Mosley. Can't you see that everything is a plan? Them Welters have been on their radar for a long time, that's my point. Floyd whips Cotto & Mosley on skills alone and I don't need to see it to know that.

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People keep quoting a single interview in which a few Welterweight boxers said it was 50/50 - and none gave Floyd no chance - but the fact is that almost every boxing expert at the time predicted Floyd would be much too fast for Boldomir. Here's an example from The Sweet Science at the time. 12 staff writers were asked their opinions, all 12 predicted Floyd would win, and 7 said it would be a very easy win for him. All that other article you keep quoting shows is that boxers are mostly not boxing experts.

Plus the main reason Baldomir is now considered a journeyman is not just because of the way he was beaten by Floyd but because he's looked like a journeyman in every subsequent fight - and because he has 12 losses.

He just got lucky in catching Judah on a bad night and in fighting a shot Gatti above Gatti's weight class.

No neutral boxing fan believes that either Judah or Boldomir at that time even compared at Welterweight with any of the top 4 Welterweights today.

People keep quoting it because it is documented and the same guys at 147 who were Floyd's potential challenges were the same ones who weren't sure if he would win or not so that to me speaks in volumes because they felt his size would play a factor in the fight. Sure Boxing experts know better because they realize how good Floyd is regardless on who he fights. I heard boxing experts say on LIVE TV that Miguel Cotto would get beat by Floyd the same way Ricky Hatton did. I think
Emmanuel or Atlas said it, to be sure look it up. Teddy Atlas said Miguel Cotto wouldn't beat Floyd, Jim Lampley and so did Roy Jones Jr if I am not mistaken. Dave, it just seems like whenever someone writes something that makes sense you kind of stray away from their facts and go back to having them see your own points.

Hey, I have no issues with what you post and how you are because your cool with me but the fact of the matter is Floyd could fight everyone but as long as he wins, there will always be two excuse, 1. He took advantage of a fighter by weight/size or 2. The guy was shot and a bum. People keep giving Cotto credit for knocking out Zab (Who you consider not a true 147 fighter) but this same guy bust Cotto face open, had him wobbled EARLY& Cotto had to low blow him TWICE to win? But you'll give Cotto more credit for beating Zab than Floyd (Who Zab had to low blow) & Floyd fought him first? Dave man, I'm not buying the magic beans or falling for the banana in the tail pipe. Then you discredit Baldomir by saying Zab had a bad night? I saw the fight & Zab fought hard but Baldomir was hungry, bottom line and he won! If Zab had beaten Baldomir Floyd wouldn't even had to fight Baldomir for the title so who fault is that? Floyd has made all the right decisions to get to where he is now, so god bless him!

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The reason why people feel that he hasn't been tested is because he hasn't been beaten.

Rubbish. He won a lineal Welterweight title and never defended it against a single contender. How hard is that to understand?

If he were to beat Mosley, Cotto and Williams (and Pac if he really wants to) then he could retire undefeated and most boxing fans, not just Floyd fans, would regard him as a legend.

Manny Pacquiao is fighting two fighters Floyd already beat and he is considered a boxing god?

Hardly a boxing god, people just like the fact that he regularly takes major risks. And he was P4P #1 before he fought either of them. And he was thought by most people to be far too small to go up to Welterweight, after only one fight at Lightweight, and having been a one-time world Flyweight champion. The vast majority of boxing experts predicted he'd lose to DLH. Regardless of DLH being shot and underweight, Pacquiao was taking a huge risk by taking that fight.

Baldomir was the recognize champ at 147, who fault is that?

Of course he was right to fight Boldomir, but just don't pretend Boldomir was a better fighter than he actually was. And don't pretend there's nothing wrong with winning a lineal title against someone of that calibre and then claiming it would be a waste of time (as his fans keep doing) to fight contenders who are much better than Boldomir.

I see your point, you want him to fight guys that YOU think can beat him

Don't put words in my mouth, I have never said who, if anyone, I think could beat him. I have repeatedly said that that has nothing to do with it. All great fighters test themselves by fighting the best. If he wants anyone who is not a committed Floyd fan to regard him as truly great, based on his résumé, including his résumé above 135, rather than just based on his skills, he needs to fight the top rated Welterweights. Why is that so hard to understand? Better still, if he fought and beat Williams at 147, then as tyde13 said, he'd have almost no haters left, because Williams is the one Welterweight who the other top Welterweights don't want any part of, because they think he's too risky.

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But you'll give Cotto more credit for beating Zab than Floyd

Show me the post where I said that. You're putting words in my mouth again.

They both deserve credit for beating Judah.

But Cotto is better than Judah, and so are Mosley, Williams and Clottey. And to call himself the best Welterweight, Mayweather needs to beat some of those fighters, not just talk about how he would have beaten them if he had fought them.

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At the end of the day this fight will not do much for floyd as the guy is really too small for him and floyd is expected to win. Hopefully it is the start of a few fights in which floyd goes up against similiar sized welters like cotto and mosley. Only by fighting these types of guys can floyd get his doubters off his back.

As for who ducked who in the past, it doesnt matter its in the past. I think that cotto and mosley both deserve a shot at floyd, they both want it bad now and so should floyd. I think those fights would be huge. They are the fights everyone wants to see except floyds die hard fans, why is this?

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Rubbish. He won a lineal Welterweight title and never defended it against a single contender. How hard is that to understand?

If he were to beat Mosley, Cotto and Williams (and Pac if he really wants to) then he could retire undefeated and most boxing fans, not just Floyd fans, would regard him as a legend.



Hardly a boxing god, people just like the fact that he regularly takes major risks. And he was P4P #1 before he fought either of them. And he was thought by most people to be far too small to go up to Welterweight, after only one fight at Lightweight, and having been a one-time world Flyweight champion. The vast majority of boxing experts predicted he'd lose to DLH. Regardless of DLH being shot and underweight, Pacquiao was taking a huge risk by taking that fight.



Of course he was right to fight Boldomir, but just don't pretend Boldomir was a better fighter than he actually was. And don't pretend there's nothing wrong with winning a lineal title against someone of that calibre and then claiming it would be a waste of time (as his fans keep doing) to fight contenders who are much better than Boldomir.



Don't put words in my mouth, I have never said who, if anyone, I think could beat him. I have repeatedly said that that has nothing to do with it. All great fighters test themselves by fighting the best. If he wants anyone who is not a committed Floyd fan to regard him as truly great, based on his résumé, including his résumé above 135, rather than just based on his skills, he needs to fight the top rated Welterweights. Why is that so hard to understand? Better still, if he fought and beat Williams at 147, then as tyde13 said, he'd have almost no haters left, because Williams is the one Welterweight who the other top Welterweights don't want any part of, because they think he's too risky.

Hey man, whatever because we can go back and forth on this topic and it still wouldn't be resolved. I already said I can see your points but your not trying to see anyone else's and that's my point. you say if Floyd beat Williams then people would shut up but right now people are beginning to hate on Williams like they did Floyd so I don't see it as being a way to stop people from frontin.

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Show me the post where I said that. You're putting words in my mouth again.

They both deserve credit for beating Judah.

But Cotto is better than Judah, and so are Mosley, Williams and Clottey. And to call himself the best Welterweight, Mayweather needs to beat some of those fighters, not just talk about how he would have beaten them if he had fought them.

You guys get me confused with everyone else. I am a Floyd fan
and confident about his ability as an athlete and boxer so I'm with
you 100% when it comes to who he should fight but it may or may
not happen but whatever. So what if the guy calls himself the best
shouldn't everyone? He still did what no one at 147 did yet, right
or wrong? Who has achieved what he has? NO ONE!!!! that's my point.

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At the end of the day this fight will not do much for floyd as the guy is really too small for him and floyd is expected to win. Hopefully it is the start of a few fights in which floyd goes up against similiar sized welters like cotto and mosley. Only by fighting these types of guys can floyd get his doubters off his back.

As for who ducked who in the past, it doesnt matter its in the past. I think that cotto and mosley both deserve a shot at floyd, they both want it bad now and so should floyd. I think those fights would be huge. They are the fights everyone wants to see except floyds die hard fans, why is this?

I want to see Floyd fight everyone at 147 so there is NO doubt in my
mind that he would serve Cotto and Mosley. I'm going on his boxing
ability and talent. You guys always talk about Floyd is scared? Floyd
was born out of a all boxing family, with champs and contenders, learned
how to box before he could walk and you guys keep saying he's scared of Cotto and Mosley? To me it doesn't have nothing to do with him fighting
the best it's so you guys can get the satisfaction of thinking he will lose bottom line. I ain't no lil kid or an ******* and can read between the lines pretty well.

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Rubbish. He won a lineal Welterweight title and never defended it against a single contender. How hard is that to understand?

If he were to beat Mosley, Cotto and Williams (and Pac if he really wants to) then he could retire undefeated and most boxing fans, not just Floyd fans, would regard him as a legend.



Hardly a boxing god, people just like the fact that he regularly takes major risks. And he was P4P #1 before he fought either of them. And he was thought by most people to be far too small to go up to Welterweight, after only one fight at Lightweight, and having been a one-time world Flyweight champion. The vast majority of boxing experts predicted he'd lose to DLH. Regardless of DLH being shot and underweight, Pacquiao was taking a huge risk by taking that fight.



Of course he was right to fight Boldomir, but just don't pretend Boldomir was a better fighter than he actually was. And don't pretend there's nothing wrong with winning a lineal title against someone of that calibre and then claiming it would be a waste of time (as his fans keep doing) to fight contenders who are much better than Boldomir.



Don't put words in my mouth, I have never said who, if anyone, I think could beat him. I have repeatedly said that that has nothing to do with it. All great fighters test themselves by fighting the best. If he wants anyone who is not a committed Floyd fan to regard him as truly great, based on his résumé, including his résumé above 135, rather than just based on his skills, he needs to fight the top rated Welterweights. Why is that so hard to understand? Better still, if he fought and beat Williams at 147, then as tyde13 said, he'd have almost no haters left, because Williams is the one Welterweight who the other top Welterweights don't want any part of, because they think he's too risky.

And I noticed something about you too Dave and that's the fact that
you love to disregard the fact that Floyd went at Cotto and Mosley
to fight them and **** never produced so is that Floyd's fault? & now
Floyd is supposed to bend over backwards to fight them now to prove
to guys like you that he is worth calling himslef the best? That's Bull
****. How come Cotto is talking about he wants to fight Pacquiao and
not Floyd? Name one time Cotto has said after a big fight or interview
that he wants to fight Floyd? Not saying I'll fight anyone or I can beat
Floyd, I'm talking about, FLOYD LETS GET IT ON!!! Mosley ducked Floyd
for YEARS but you don't look at that, but instead you rather say Floyd
shouldn't call himself the best because he hasn't beaten guys that
didn't want to fight him when he was ready?

That's a bias double standard and I know your going to write back
and try to make yourself sound right but over all that is exactly
what I'm reading. JMM calls Floyd out and Floyd wants the fight at 147,
now he's a sucker for not going down to 140. There will always be
excuses. I just read that Floyd is ready to go down to a catch weight
at 145 and JMM still want it at 140. So I guess Floyd is scared right? Cotto/Mosley want Pacquiao and that's cool but Floyd wants him and
Pac is too small? Come on man, you guys irritate me with the nonsense
and all the bias posts. I am a fan of Boxing and don't make excuses for NOBODY.

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And I noticed something about you too Dave and that's the fact that
you love to disregard the fact that Floyd went at Cotto and Mosley
to fight them and **** never produced so is that Floyd's fault? & now
Floyd is supposed to bend over backwards to fight them now to prove
to guys like you that he is worth calling himslef the best? That's Bull
****. How come Cotto is talking about he wants to fight Pacquiao and
not Floyd? Name one time Cotto has said after a big fight or interview
that he wants to fight Floyd? Not saying I'll fight anyone or I can beat
Floyd, I'm talking about, FLOYD LETS GET IT ON!!! Mosley ducked Floyd
for YEARS but you don't look at that, but instead you rather say Floyd
shouldn't call himself the best because he hasn't beaten guys that
didn't want to fight him when he was ready?

That's a bias double standard and I know your going to write back
and try to make yourself sound right but over all that is exactly
what I'm reading. JMM calls Floyd out and Floyd wants the fight at 147,
now he's a sucker for not going down to 140. There will always be
excuses. I just read that Floyd is ready to go down to a catch weight
at 145 and JMM still want it at 140. So I guess Floyd is scared right? Cotto/Mosley want Pacquiao and that's cool but Floyd wants him and
Pac is too small? Come on man, you guys irritate me with the nonsense
and all the bias posts. I am a fan of Boxing and don't make excuses for NOBODY.

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