Mayweather vs. Marquez Negotiations Stalled on Weight

[buckdacious]

if u cant understand the significance of that then your just a hopeless cause.

Brah.

with your knowledge, so your saying Cotto beat Mosley, Margatito beat Cotto, so theres NO WAY IN HELL MOSLEY BEATS MARGARITO RIGHT??? you must be smokin that bomb

[Dave Rado]

no its not Rubbish. thats why Hatton and Cotto were ringside for the Gatti fight!!! Why else would they be there?? to just watch Mayweather?? come on guys get with the program, Mayweathert has tried to fight the best time after time.

Can you read??? SEE HERE.

[QUISQUEYA]

Jesus you been defending your boys honour for the last 9 hours, you must really like money may. :*******:

Like i said before no matter what you say is going to change the majority of the fans opinions.

I'm "defending" the truth and accuracy. If you say some bull****, I will call bull****.

Unlike the majority of people on here, I actually try to know what i'm talking about. So, whether you are talking about my favourite fighters (Casamayor, Pac, PBF, Salita, malignaggi, toney) or about guys I detest (hatton, Calzaghe, forrest), I will tell the truth.

For example: i love Pac. i hate hatton. i think hatton is going to beat manny.

[El Jesus]

i wish i could read this thread with only people whom opinion hold weight instead of 23 pages of partisan trash.

[Dave Rado]

Sheesh. Why am I talking to you? You're not really informed about the sport. No offense.

A history lesson. And this was on televised TV, so it's pretty easy for you to verify.

After Floyd beat Zab, he was looking for his next fight. Everyone expected it to be Oscar. In fact, Oscar had called a press conference for Atlantic City in June. That was the same weekend as Hopkins-Tarver. Seasoned fans will remember that was the same night that Arum had the competing PPV for Cotto-malignaggi.

Anyway, Team May is expecting to fight Oscar. As early as September because Sept is some type of Mexican holiday. Oscar announces that he "doesn't want to fight this fall", and he wouldn't be ready until the next year. Ouch. Surprises everybody.

The buzz becomes Floyd-Shane. Team May is reaching out to GBP/Jin. They're talking. People are excited about the prospect because they saw Zab trouble Floyd early with his speed. HBO even books a date for the fall. Nov 8th, i believe. After Shane knocks out a very shot vargas, Merchant does the post-fight. He asks Shane: will you accept the mayweather offer? Shane says "No. I want to go on vacation, and I'm getting some dental work". THIS WAS ON NATIONAL HBO. Everybody was, like, WTF?? People said that it was a clear duck. While others said that he stepped aside knowing that Oscar wanted Floyd next year.

Anyway, Floyd is JACKED UP at that point. Left with no viable opponent. Gatti had some crappy belt at WW. Clearly, Floyd couldn't unify vs Gatti. Nobody wanted to see that bloodbath again. Gatti is favored over Baldomir. Shockingly, Tata knocks Gatti out. Boom. Floyd lucks the phuck up. baldo is now the Ring Magazine champion, and Floyd is ranked #1 at WW.

Baldomir had beat Zab, and KO'd Gatti in a seven-month period. HBO approves him as the opponent for Floyd's fall PPV date. Calls it "Pretty Risky". Fight does well. 340K PPV buys, and about 10,000 gate. May makes a bit over $10 mil.

Note: floyd had bought out of his TR contract for $750K. At the time, TR and GBP did not do business and were not even on speaking terms. PBF got out so he could fight Oscar. So, he hired GTP to a free-agent, one-off contract to promote "Pretty Risky".

During the fall of that year - and before Floyd's fight - we hear that Shane is in negotiation for a fight. WTF again. Shane fights Collazo in an empty MB Events Center for under $2 mill.

Right after Christmas, the final details for "The World Awaits" are finalized, and both May and DLH head down to the SuperBowl to begin doing media to promote the fight.

If I am remembering any part of this incorrectly, I invite an experienced poster to correct.

All true, but to say Mosley ducked him is silly. Oscar was Mosley's boss at GBP, Mosley didn't want to stand in Oscar's way, so he made up that vacation story.

[Dave Rado]

Co-Sign...

Another one who can't read ...

[buckdacious]

Can you read??? SEE HERE.

Hatton said he was willing to do it but didnt. at least it took him 2 years to grow some nuts and take the fight. but who cares about that now.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

with your knowledge, so your saying Cotto beat Mosley, Margatito beat Cotto, so theres NO WAY IN HELL MOSLEY BEATS MARGARITO RIGHT??? you must be smokin that bomb

dont twist my words around.Thats not even close to what im saying. I already know about the paper rock scissors theory;

junior jones beat MAB 2x, MAB beat morales, Morales beats junior jones.

mab beats em, pacquiao beats mab, so pac should beat em the first time right?

or how about

jermaine taylor beats bhop 2x, but pavlik beats taylor 2x, so pavlik beats bhop huh?

your argument doesnt even apply. Im stating cotto fought margarito & mosley, meaning he had the balls to fight top rated welters something floyd doesnt do.

[QUISQUEYA]

if u cant understand the significance of that then your just a hopeless cause.

Brah.

Brah,
I do not understand the significance. Then call me hopeless.

Because my experience tells me that triangulation theories do not work.

Ali and Frazier had life-and-death matches. Foreman blew Frazier out in two rounds. knocking him down six times. Ali KO's Foreman.

more recently,

Forrest dominates Shane. Mayorga KO's Forrest. Shane KO's mayorga.

Vargas beats Winky. Winky dominates Shane. Shane KO's vargas.

Need more??

[FalconBalla2]

u dont think cotto can beat clottey so it irrelevant? How so? All i know is that cotto fought margarito & mosley, 2 fighters floyd ducked/neverfought. He beat mosley,got beat by a possibly cheating margarito.

Floyd jr & cotto have 3 common opponents.

Cotto tko'd all of them while floyd UD them.

All im saying is miguel has a chance vs the so called GOD OF BOXING floyd jr.

Thats all. but your not even having that huh?

You see!!! Now you are being objective!!! finally!!!! welcome to the conversation.

I would like to see the fight more than anyone... But remember to beat Floyd you would have to hit him on a consistent basis... He does have the best defense in the sport and I don't see anyone capable of doing that on a CONSITENT basis... Miguel has a hell of a punch but he does lack elite punching speed.. Floyd is no KO artist but he is VERY accurate and he taps that chin with sniper preciseness and speed. Miguel would HAVE to have great head movement in that fight in order to stay competitive... but he doesn't have great head movement... If he did he would cut the times that he gets stunned in half. Cotto with head movement would be a whole other animal. If Cotto were to use Mayweather Sr or Steward it would improve him tremendously... Look into Cotto's head movement on youtube and you'll see what I'm talking about... I think Pacman has the best head movement in the sport by far (including Mayweather)... But he don't pack a whopping punch above 135... and quite frankly.. Ricky is gonna surprise alot of people come May 2nd...