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  • Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
    I noticed a lot of you guys always talk about how hard a person hits but when you have skill and natural advantages and abilities in the ring you can school the biggest puncher.
    In theory, but both Pavlik and Abrahams are quite skilled. They are limited, but it takes a special type of fighter to school them. Williams may be able to school them, but he hasn't proved it yet, IMO. He didn't school Winky, he outworked him, and he did take some flush punches from him, that would have hurt him if they had been landed by Pavlik or Abrahams.
    Last edited by Dave Rado; 04-12-2009, 01:51 PM.

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    • Originally posted by Da Hammer View Post
      Pavlik and Abraham have too much power for Williams i think both KO him if they land clean like Winky was able to do more than a couple times when he did throw. Williams is a freak of nature no doubt but i dont think he has the natural power to hang with prime Pavlik and Abraham!
      Well, taking to consideration how does Abraham like to sleep, while in defensive mode, he can get shot by MANY punches Williams is throwing...

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      • Originally posted by xAUGUSTUSx View Post
        Abraham does'nt hide in Germany. He's from Germany you clown. I'm from Winnipeg so thats where I fight out of. Everyone seems to forget that he just came to the states and fought Miranda. The US is **** for boxing and thats why it does'nt even matter to them. Like he cares to have fans like you anyway. You know your just all over Williams **** and balls because he's black. I think him and Pavlik would be good but Abraham smashes him.
        Please stop trying to base my race on my posts...U r the one of the most unintelligent and ignorant posters I have come across. Stop playing the race card on every topic. Its getting old.

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        • He can beat anyone that man is a freak

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          • Originally posted by Dave Rado View Post
            In theory, but both Pavlik and Abrahams are quite skilled. They are limited, but it takes a special type of fighter to school them. Williams may be able to school them, but he hasn't proved it yet, IMO. He didn't school Winky, he outworked him, and he did take some flush punches from him, that would have hurt him if they had been landed by Pavlik or Abrahams.
            C'mon Rado, you usually make good points but don't give me that garbage. Outworked????? How about that right hook that almost took Winky off his feet, how about the right AND left hooks to the body that were behind Winky's elbows because the man's arms are so long, how about the double and triple jab that got through all night, or the uppercuts right through Winky's guard. EVERYONE takes some flush shots in a 12 rd fight from Winky Wright, who is WAAAAAY more slick than Pavlik. Winky had nothing for PWill's combos. Maybe I'm not very eductated so please tell me what the difference is between schooling and outworking. It's not like PWill couldn't do anything he wanted in the ring. It seems you are trying to detract from PWill's game and overall skill set by claiming he's some sort of Margarito who just throws more punches than the other guy. Pwill's head movement is excellent, so are his angles, footwork, and rhythm.

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            • Originally posted by Walt Liquor View Post
              C'mon Rado, you usually make good points but don't give me that garbage. Outworked????? How about that right hook that almost took Winky off his feet, how about the right AND left hooks to the body that were behind Winky's elbows because the man's arms are so long, how about the double and triple jab that got through all night, or the uppercuts right through Winky's guard. EVERYONE takes some flush shots in a 12 rd fight from Winky Wright, who is WAAAAAY more slick than Pavlik. Winky had nothing for PWill's combos. Maybe I'm not very eductated so please tell me what the difference is between schooling and outworking. It's not like PWill couldn't do anything he wanted in the ring. It seems you are trying to detract from PWill's game and overall skill set by claiming he's some sort of Margarito who just throws more punches than the other guy. Pwill's head movement is excellent, so are his angles, footwork, and rhythm.
              I agree that he's far more skilled than Marg, he's not just a volume fighter. He probably would beat AA and Pavlik. But I don't think it's a dead cert, given their power. And don't forget that Marg gave him more trouble than Winky did (although his skills have improved since then).
              Last edited by Dave Rado; 04-12-2009, 06:59 PM.

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              • Originally posted by Da Hammer View Post
                Pavlik and Abraham have too much power for Williams i think both KO him if they land clean like Winky was able to do more than a couple times when he did throw. Williams is a freak of nature no doubt but i dont think he has the natural power to hang with prime Pavlik and Abraham!
                Pavlik and Abraham do have big power at 160 but Paul Williams is 6'3" so he is a big man as well & his body may allow him to take a big shot & keep going. Did you see how Wright looked after the fight? & he has better defense than Pavlik & Abraham. Kelly's been dropped by Jermain Taylor and Taylor couldn't even do to Winky what Williams did. I think Williams
                is the goods & tough enough to be the favorite in any match
                up at this point because we don't know what to expect but he keeps impressing us.
                Last edited by GRUSTLER; 04-12-2009, 08:02 PM.

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                • Originally posted by Dave Rado View Post
                  I agree that he's far more skilled than Marg, he's not just a volume fighter. He probably would beat AA and Pavlik. But I don't think it's a dead cert, given their power. And don't forget that Marg gave him more trouble than Winky did (although his skills have improved since then).
                  I got him even money right now v AA and Kirkland. Favor him over e
                  veryone else in mw and jmw. All due to styles. Pavlik could ko him for sure. I think u have to box 12 rds to beat Kirkland and pwill likes to fight too much. Aa is too well rounded and strong. Pwill can't just turn him like he could pavlik. I might change my mind closer one of these if the fights are made

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                  • Originally posted by Dave Rado View Post
                    Great boxers don't care where the fight is. It would probably make more money in Germany, for one thing. Ali fought all over the world.
                    Nobody grows up thinking "One day I want to become champion of the world and fight in Germany"

                    They think Vegas and MSG.

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                    • Originally posted by Dave Rado View Post

                      How does fighting in America in and of itself make you great? If you have to fight there for commercial reasons, so be it, but the fact you fought there isn't what makes you great, it's only who you fought and how well you fought that matters. If you have to fight there because the other guy is too scared to fight outside his own country, even when there is much more money to be made in a different country, that sucks.
                      Indeed it does, but such is life.

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