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    #51
    Originally posted by SUBZER0ED

    That's what I was thinking! Holmes was Ali's sparring partner and learned a lot from him, judging from his similar style.
    Larry was more tech less showboating to

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      #52
      Originally posted by THE REED
      Says Larry Holmes on the HBO Thrilla In Manilla Documentary....






      I didn't like that **** at all...
      I think Larry always harbored a resentment that Muhammad was the guy that everybody wanted to see

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        #53
        Originally posted by moneytheman

        Larry was more tech less showboating to
        Ali sold fights with his antics, while Holmes complained that he didn't get the recognition he felt he deserved.

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          #54
          He wasn't wrong. Ali was a technically flawed fighter. He fought with his hands at his sides, he leaned back from punches, he telegraphed his uppercuts by dropping his hands too low before throwing them, he took a lot of punches to the chin and head. The fact that he had a great chin was both a blessing and a burden. Ali is an enigma. He came along at a time when boxing was in a slump, and television was killing the small boxing clubs and live venues. Networks needed a fresh face with charisma, someone who could get people to tune in, even if they hated him. No one wanted Liston as champion, he was forced to take dives to make way for the man who could get ratings. His best win was Foreman, who basically defeated himself in that fight. He had a several decisions that were gifted to him because of his name. He was an important figure in boxing and resurrected the sport as it transitioned from live venues to television, but Holmes is right, his basic skills were overrated, but he made up for it with superior reflexes, speed, a great chin, and often having a distinct size advantage. He also had the media in his corner for his post-comeback career.

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            #55
            Originally posted by Kzbox

            Is he though? go watch that Ali v Frazier fight he does nothing but get punched in the face throw a punch then clinch i was actually shocked watching that fight hearing how good Ali is then watching that... You really think he's more skilled than Usyk/Fury? must be having a laugh mate.
            Never judge a fighter on 1 fight. Fury has looked like total trash in many fights.

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              #56
              From a solely skill standpoint, I see his point.

              But Ali had skills, and one in a billion athletic ability and talent. Add to that one of the all time chins, and a massive heart and desire to win. That made him the greatest heavyweight of all time.

              Realistically that’s not even debatable.

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                #57
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                From a solely skill standpoint, I see his point.

                But Ali had skills, and one in a billion athletic ability and talent. Add to that one of the all time chins, and a massive heart and desire to win. That made him the greatest heavyweight of all time.

                Realistically that’s not even debatable.
                No its debatable cause since he wasnt that tech means he wasnt as skilled as people in 80s-now you need to stop overrating

                Many fighters from the years i named never would have to have their fighters fight from the ropes like ali did they wouldnt cause the tech had became better in punch tech

                Ali never would had have to use it for george a trash tech fighter who was slow easy to read and basic any trainer from the years I seen knew how to easily outbox him or to just overwhelm him
                Last edited by Ascended; 10-05-2022, 10:44 AM.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by moneytheman

                  No its debatable cause since he wasnt that tech means he wasnt as skilled as people in 80s-now you need to stop overrating

                  Many fighters from the years i named never would have to have their fighters fight from the ropes like ali did they wouldnt cause the tech had became better in punch tech

                  Ali never would had have to use it for george a trash tech fighter who was slow easy to read and basic any trainer from the years I seen knew how to easily outbox him or to just overwhelm him
                  Muhammad's intangibles, are better than most guys skillsets.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by djtmal

                    Muhammad's intangibles, are better than most guys skillsets.
                    Good job skipping over all I said you troll im right

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                      #60
                      He's not wrong really.

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