Roy Jones the farud

[KiloTeague]

by HBO

If the hard-fought unanimous 12-round decision against Bernard Hopkins thrust Jones on the main stage in 1993, it was his thrilling and astonishing win against unbeaten James Toney a year later that established his long reign as boxing's best "pound-for-pound" titlist. He literally toyed with the rattled Toney, mocking him with the now famous "chicken move" before staggering him to the ropes with a blurring left en route to a shockingly easy win.

When I said Jones destroyed Toney you said I was crazy. So how about literally toyed with and mocked him in a shockingly easy win.

I guess I can get destroyed and toyed with, and beating someone shockinly easy all mixed up. My bad. Thats why i put this up. Is a shockinlgy easy beating easier for you to take?

[KiloTeague]

no fighter could get to jones knees these days...
no1 could fck with a prime jones PERIOD

Thankyou, thats all Im saying. Thats it.

[mathed]

Jones definitely made short work of almost everyone that he fought during his run to HW but he did fight a bunch of puff cakes. The BHop fight was a true challenge and as everyone knows the fight was not a cake walk by any means- Hopkins took it easy for some reason.

I remember sitting down at my friend's parents house every time RJJ would fight on TV because the fights were so exciting and we all wanted to know how many rds it would take for Roy to dismantle the other dude. A bunch of people rag on Calzaghe's record but it is no worse than RJJ's to be honest. Jones was weight drained during Tarver 1 and was weak. Legit for him to take Tarver on in the rematch but after getting KO'd he was never the same- mentally. The mental loss of confidence and the onset of self doubt is what did RJJ in.

Even now, I would say that he could challenge most boxers out there; it is hard not to compare him to the old Roy from the 90's but that guy is gone. RJJ still has the physical attributes to be a contender but in those close, tough fights when it counts the most, Roy will come in second place to a young, hungry A+ boxer.

[Fighting Champ]

Jones began 1999 by knocking out New York City police officer Rick Frazier. After this, many boxing critics[who?] started to criticize Jones for fighting overmatched mandatories who few had ever heard of. Roy Jones continued a career of low PPV numbers. He was also criticized for never fighting Dariusz Michalczewski, an unbeaten Polish fighter who had been stripped of the WBA & IBF championship belts in 1997 without losing them in the ring. In Jones' only other fight that year, on June 5, he beat the IBF's world champion, Reggie Johnson, by a lop-sided 12-round decision to add that belt to the WBC and WBA belts he already owned in the division.

A post-fight drug test showed Roy Jones Jr. tested positive for androstenedione,which is a banned substance by the IBF.

That explains Roy Jones going up in weight to fight John Ruiz without gaining any fat. With sports athletes doing some steroids that weren't detected,( Bonds , Clemens, Tejada,etc.) it isn't surprising that some athletes used it in boxing to help themselves get into shape.

[KiloTeague]

HA!

A minor detail, my point all along is the fight was in the balance which you cant accept. Forgive me it was a long long time ago.

If ive owned myself with that though you've blew your ****in brains out trying to make the fight sound a one-sided beatdown, which it obviously wasn't.

Dont even start me on the post you made saying Tarver was his first close fight

It was competitve but at the same time it was about to be over. He gave Roy some problems but by round eight Roy figured him out and was in the process of knocking him out. HBO thinks it was one sided and they agree Roy was on his way to a dominating victory. Here it is for you just in case.

Just when it appeared Jones would elevate his greatness to unprecedented heights, the unthinkable happened. While on his way to yet another dominating victory over an unbeaten, but overmatched Montell Griffin in Atlantic City in 1997, he couldn't put the brakes on his own speed and quickness. Wilting under a barrage of blurring punches, Griffin tilted to one knee as Jones, anxious to finish him off, tried to hold back two half-hearted punches that glanced off his opponent's battered face. Referee Tony Perez immediately moved in, waved off Jones and to the stunned champion's disbelief, declared a dazed Griffin the winner on a disqualification...hitting an opponent when he's down.

Did you catch the word Dominating. I guess HBO and I like to use that in reference to Roy Jones fights. Well there it is. Like I said, your argument is with HBO and other sanctioning bodies that had him ranked #1 at the time.

[KiloTeague]

And that my friends is how you shut down a cap gun.

[koboy]

I watched RJJ in the 90's up to the present and is one of my favourite fighters. Having said that, he was extremely cautious with his career and I believe Gerald Mclellan's life altering injury had a hand in that. I still think he could have beaten everybody at his prime, but for some reason he didn't take the fights he should have. I don't think there is one fighter out there who could have beat him in his prime. Not Benn, Eubank, Collins or Mclellan. He was too fast and had power in both hands.

I don't consider him an ATG but he is far from being a fraud. You can't be a fraud when you've beaten Toney or Hopkins, because you would be undermining those boxers, as well.

If we go by this formula, then most boxers should be considered frauds.

[KiloTeague]

I watched RJJ in the 90's up to the present and is one of my favourite fighters. Having said that, he was extremely cautious with his career and I believe Gerald Mclellan's life altering injury had a hand in that. I still think he could have beaten everybody at his prime, but for some reason he didn't take the fights he should have. I don't think there is one fighter out there who could have beat him in his prime. Not Benn, Eubank, Collins or Mclellan. He was too fast and had power in both hands.

I don't consider him an ATG but he is far from being a fraud. You can't be a fraud when you've beaten Toney or Hopkins, because you would be undermining those boxers, as well.

If we go by this formula, then most boxers should be considered frauds.

I agree with everything accept him not being an atg. If noone can beat you then dont you have to be the greatest, at least at those weights.

[koboy]

I agree with everything accept him not being an atg. If noone can beat you then dont you have to be the greatest, at least at those weights.

I understand, but see he didn't fight everyone available at that time, like Benn, Eubank, Collins, Watson, or Darius M. When I said that I believe that he could have beaten these guys, this is just my opinion. Who knows what might have really happened. For me to consider him an ATG, he would have to have fought and beat the above mentioned fighters.

Calzaghe retired undefeated but he will never be considered by most boxing experts as an ATG for the same reason I can't consider Jones being one.

Again, although he is not an ATG in my eyes, RJJ is not a fraud, hardly.

[KiloTeague]

I understand, but see he didn't fight everyone available at that time, like Benn, Eubank, Collins, Watson, or Darius M. When I said that I believe that he could have beaten these guys, this is just my opinion. Who knows what might have really happened. For me to consider him an ATG, he would have to have fought and beat the above mentioned fighters.

Calzaghe retired undefeated but he will never be considered by most boxing experts as an ATG for the same reason I can't consider Jones being one.

Again, although he is not an ATG in my eyes, RJJ is not a fraud, hardly.

dont u think by dominating a HW that makes him an ATG as a MW, SMW, and LHW. Especially since most of the ATG before him don't have that on there resumes. I think beating a HW champ goes above and beyond beating other champs in ur own division.