Was Wladimir Klitschko drugged during Lamon Brewster I?

[P4PKING_2008 :)]

He just has no heart.

[StarshipTrooper]

Where's the, "No, he just got fucked up" option?

Poet

[Roger Mellie]

That's why I reposted the so-called "racist" post. To show people just what he was going ape**** over. Did you see anything racist in there?

Poet

The only racist things I have seen lately are the 15 tunneys!

[Norton]

It may be sociological phenomena but civilized human beings are supposed to be above such base tribalism. That's what separates us from the animals who run in packs and barbarians who hang in clans and other basic tribal units.

Well, I'm against any idols. But good examples for people is not bad thing. Klitschko, I think, is good enough example.

But don't change the subject! My posts have been clearly directed to the nuthugging Eastern Euro boxing fans who spout their racial supremacist views and tout the Klitschkos as the ATGs, best ever in the most nausiatingly worst posts: Again, for no other reason than the Klitschkos have the right ethnicity. That's just ******. If I had a bias against ALL citizens of the former Soviet Union than you would have a very hard time explaining my favorite chess player. Want to take a guess who that might be? It happens to be Anatoly Karpov who is about as Russian as you get. Again, my all-time favorite chess player. Want to take a stab at a few other favorite chess players of mine? How about Boris Spassky - Russian. Vasily Smyslov - Russian. Mikhail Tal - Lithuanian. Paul Keres - Estonian. Tigrin Petrosian - Armenian. David Bronstein - Russian. Samual Reshevsky - originally Polish. And just to be REALLY international here's some more favorites: Jose Raul Capablanca - Cuba. Wilhelm Steinitz - Austrian. Adolf Anderson - German. Miguel Najdorf - Argentinian. Any questions?

Be a men and admit that your were wrong.

Poet

To make it plain - I dislike panslavists. It's a new form of Russian imperialism (not really have anything to deal with race - it's Russian political instrument of expansionism). So don't mix me with those guys, please.

My appologies, if your words was directed only for racists. But it's hard to conclude without your explanations. And your hatred to Klitschko is hardly understandable to me. They are good sportsmens and citizens of their country. Not racists, addicts or criminals. Good examples IMO.

[BOOMbip]

HAHAHAH even the Poll options are a joke in this thread...


make up new poll options.

4. Did Klitschko get dropped so hard that while he was falling he said...."In soviet russia car drives you!"



5.?

[Norton]

Here is what he wrote to go with his mighty greyness.-I owe you nothing. But I'm not "alt" whatever you mean by this. But I would not tolerate racist posts and insults from this ignorant scrub - "poet".

Classic tunney!

And here what you wrote: suspect you could well be an alt.prove yourself before ****ting on others

Again - I owe you nothing. Before demanding something from me, you must give it to me. And wish to people from former USSR considered "communists" "to hang" is ignorant and only scrub can wrote such as thing.

If it was adressed only for racists is one thing. But "poet" didn't mentioned nothing about racists.

[StarshipTrooper]

To make it plain - I dislike panslavists. It's a new form of Russian imperialism (not really have anything to deal with race - it's Russian political instrument of expansionism). So don't mix me with those guys, please.

My appologies, if your words was directed only for racists. But it's hard to conclude without your explanations. And your hatred to Klitschko is hardly understandable to me. They are good sportsmens and citizens of their country. Not racists, addicts or criminals. Good examples IMO.

Fair enough. If you aren't a pan-Slav or hyper-nationialist than my appologies for insinuating that you were. For the record, I happen to LIKE Vitali Klitschko I just don't view him as an ATG or the GOAT as has been claimed in varies posts. Wlad I'm contemptuous of, not of him as a person but of his abilities as a fighter. Likewise, I have been labled anti-British for refusing to acknowledge Lennox Lewis as the best ever: Completely ignoring the fact that I've said on a number of occasions that I'm a Lennox fan. That's the rub: I can be a fan of a fighter without having to claim he's the best ever. My favorite fighter of all-time is Joe Louis but I'm realistic enough to acknowledge that Ali was the greater Heavyweight. I'm a fan without being a BLIND fan. Likewise, to use the chess analogy again, while Anatoly Karpov is my all-time favorite chess player I'm realistic enough to acknowledge Fischer was better. Even Karpov admired Fischer.

So. You aren't a pan-Slav or a hyper-nationalist. That being the case I will undo the red K I gave you as soon as Boxing Scene permits me to do so.

Poet

[Roger Mellie]

And here what you wrote: suspect you could well be an alt.prove yourself before ****ting on others

Again - I owe you nothing. Before demanding something from me, you must give it to me. And wish to people from former USSR considered "communists" "to hung" is ignorant and only scrub can wrote such as thing.

I dont want you to prove yourself,I just want you to come to terms your issues regarding your...you know.Didnt you get that list of sites and suggestions for people of the same mindset as you?

[Ray*]

High Blood Sugar? Maybe, But Klitschko's Excuses Just Taste Sour
By George Kimball

On the night of April 10, 2004, Lamon Brewster had climbed off the floor in the fourth, and a round later was beating the piss out of Wladimir Klitschko when referee Robert Byrd intervened to take Klitschko into protective custody. Although Wladimir's performance was consistent with - indeed, redolent of -- his prior boxing history, a day later he and his camp were fanning the flames of a conspiracy theory, charging that the beaten fighter had been mysteriously drugged.

A few years ago George Foreman recalled his reaction to his loss to Muhammad Ali in their 1974 "Rumble in the Jungle" as one of the most shameful episodes of his boxing career. "By saying I'd been tricked or that my food might have been poisoned I detracted from Ali's victory," said Foreman. "The man beat me that night and I should have just given him credit for a great performance. Instead I was so embarrassed I started looking around for excuses."

Wladimir must not have been paying attention. After wilting before Brewster's fifth-round onslaught in their World Boxing Organization heavyweight title fight at the Mandalay Bay, the Ukrainian tried to alibi away his performance by claiming that his food had been tampered with, and trainer Emanuel Steward subsequently claimed that his fighter was suffering from "unusually high blood sugar."

"It wasn't the water in Wladimir's eyes," said Brewster's promoter Don King a few days later. "It wasn't no soup he ate at the Mandalay Bay. It was Lamon Brewster's punches that knocked him out, THAT's what happened to Wladimir Klitschko."

On May 3, boxing attorney Judd Burstein undertook the representation of the Brothers Klitschko. Two days later, to great fanfare, Burstein posted a letter demanding a federal investigation into the circumstances surrounding the Brewster-Klitschko fight, copies of which he sent to every media outlet on his rolodex.

Burstein must have coveted the Klitschko account badly. The circulation of the letter might make the younger Klitschko look like a crybaby, but it makes his lawyer look just plan silly.
The public release of Burstein's missive to Daniel G. Bogden, the United States Attorney for the District of Nevada, was accompanied by a press release which included this bizarre sentiment

voiced by the defeated Klitschko:

"I have thought long and hard about requesting an investigation because I am concerned that the public, and particularly my fans, will see me as making excuses instead of taking responsibility for a loss."


What makes this apologia so laughable is that in the month since getting whipped by Brewster, Wladimir has done nothing BUT make excuses. And there's not the slightest suggestion anywhere that he has even remotely accepted responsibility for his loss. The Klitschko camp even fired cutman Joe Souza, claiming that his ******* application of Vaseline had "trapped body heat" inside the fighter. If that were true, Souza would have an entire century's worth of co-conspirators, including virtually every man who ever hefted a spit-bucket.

When his brother fought Corrie Sanders at the Staples Center two weeks later, Wladimir Klitschko was the representative dispatched from Vitali's camp to Sanders' dressing room to oversee the gloving of the opponent. Sanders later recalled that Wladimir, (whom he himself had knocked out in two rounds last year) spent virtually his entire time in the dressing room that night offering a litany of excuses for the Brewster fight.

Dr. Margaret Goodman is the chairwoman of the Nevada State Athletic Commission's medical advisory board and has, since the appointment of Dr. Flip Homansky to the NSAC, served as Nevada's chief ringside physician. She was in the ring and attending to Klitschko seconds after Byrd stopped the fight.

Although there are obviously some doctor-patient confidentiality issues involved, Nevada Attorney General Ken Kizer has assured Dr. Goodman that by placing their inflammatory charges in the public domain, Klitschko and Burstein have essentially waived confidentiality on the particulars they have discussed.

Burstein's letter to the US Attorney claims that:

"Mr. Klitschko has also confirmed that his head was completely clear after the Brewster fight was stopped; yet he could not speak or move his body with ease It is also important to note that Mr. Klitschko's blood sugar level after the fight was 230 -- almost twice the normal level. Medical experts have confirmed to the Klitschko team that such an elevated count may well indicate that Mr. Klitschko was given a foreign substance."

But Dr. Goodman's recollections of events paints a very different picture.

"When I got to the ring Wladimir initially seemed alert and responsive," recalled Goodman, "but then back in the corner he began to exhibit changes. He seemed increasingly lethargic, and within a few minutes became less responsive to questioning."

Dr. Goodman ascribed this to a "transitory loss of consciousness" - in layman's terms, Wladimir was "out on his feet."

Seriously this was a disgrace coming from the Klitschko's, They dont look like egomaniacs but alot of their actions in around the ring says otherwise.

[Norton]

Fair enough. If you aren't a pan-Slav or hyper-nationialist than my appologies for insinuating that you were. For the record, I happen to LIKE Vitali Klitschko I just don't view him as an ATG or the GOAT as has been claimed in varies posts. Wlad I'm contemptuous of, not of him as a person but of his abilities as a fighter. Likewise, I have been labled anti-British for refusing to acknowledge Lennox Lewis as the best ever: Completely ignoring the fact that I've said on a number of occasions that I'm a Lennox fan. That's the rub: I can be a fan of a fighter without having to claim he's the best ever. My favorite fighter of all-time is Joe Louis but I'm realistic enough to acknowledge that Ali was the greater Heavyweight. I'm a fan without being a BLIND fan. Likewise, to use the chess analogy again, while Anatoly Karpov is my all-time favorite chess player I'm realistic enough to acknowledge Fischer was better. Even Karpov admired Fischer.

So. You aren't a pan-Slav or a hyper-nationalist. That being the case I will undo the red K I gave you as soon as Boxing Scene permits me to do so.

Poet

Ok. Misunderstanding is settled.