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That's ****ing funny
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these guys have no clue what they are talking about I dont think they have ever seen the brewster fight and if they did they talk about it like they know everything, for exmaple some of u claim that Wlad was scared to fight Brewster right away thats y he never forced the issue when in reality Wlad kept calling Brewster out for an immediate fight but Brewster and his people kept saying that Klitschko was nothing anymore and he needed to earn his shot, Wlad even tried to force the WBO to give him mandatory status dont u bums remember the wbo rating Davarryl Williamson as #2 wbo contender and Wlad ranked #3 at the timr even after Wlad beat Williamson by decision.Also there is a lot of evidence to show that there was some foul play before the Klitschko Brewster fight but what really happend we will never know and most of us dont care, untill people make dumb posts and bring these things up.Comment
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and what about u what kinds comments do u make? Almost every single comment u have made was ****** and completely no about the subject of the threadOriginally posted by poet682006 View PostComment
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And were any rational human being analyse YOUR posts they may come to the same conclusion I did: You're a tool. Whether or not there are more than simply "Russians" in Eastern Europe is irrelivent: The Eastern Euro posters in NSB nuthug on Eastern Euro fighters for no other reason than they're from Eastern Europe. Period. End of story. I have no use for irrational fandom for any reason least of all the "National Pride" variety. Nuthuggers fear me because I expose their irrational fanatacism and slap their little fan-boi asses all over Boxing Scene for their ******ity. I have no problem calling a moron a moron.Originally posted by Norton View Post
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I have it, want a copy? I have Wlad's losses on a special DVD titled "Real Entertainment: Watch The Window-Licker Chicken-Dance".Originally posted by Leo Pradun View Post
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thats what u think and ur the only that thinks thatOriginally posted by poet682006 View PostComment
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I make fun of knob-head fan-bois like you! Simple!Originally posted by Leo Pradun View Post
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So, following your "logic" I must dislike Klitschkos only because we are from Eastern Europe and to pleasure you? You know, growth of interest to specific sport in ANY country mostly depends of their sportsmens succes in this "specific sport". I take it your are weak also in sociology and social psychology.Originally posted by poet682006 View Post
But don't change the subject - your post insults all people from former USSR, not only "nuthaggers", "fan-bois" or other of your "paper enemies".
Be a men and admit that your were wrong. As you wrote in one of your posts - wrong people also have opinions. Don't make me think that not only your opinion were wrong.Comment
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High Blood Sugar? Maybe, But Klitschko's Excuses Just Taste Sour
By George Kimball
On the night of April 10, 2004, Lamon Brewster had climbed off the floor in the fourth, and a round later was beating the piss out of Wladimir Klitschko when referee Robert Byrd intervened to take Klitschko into protective custody. Although Wladimir's performance was consistent with - indeed, redolent of -- his prior boxing history, a day later he and his camp were fanning the flames of a conspiracy theory, charging that the beaten fighter had been mysteriously drugged.
A few years ago George Foreman recalled his reaction to his loss to Muhammad Ali in their 1974 "Rumble in the Jungle" as one of the most shameful episodes of his boxing career. "By saying I'd been tricked or that my food might have been poisoned I detracted from Ali's victory," said Foreman. "The man beat me that night and I should have just given him credit for a great performance. Instead I was so embarrassed I started looking around for excuses."
Wladimir must not have been paying attention. After wilting before Brewster's fifth-round onslaught in their World Boxing Organization heavyweight title fight at the Mandalay Bay, the Ukrainian tried to alibi away his performance by claiming that his food had been tampered with, and trainer Emanuel Steward subsequently claimed that his fighter was suffering from "unusually high blood sugar."
"It wasn't the water in Wladimir's eyes," said Brewster's promoter Don King a few days later. "It wasn't no soup he ate at the Mandalay Bay. It was Lamon Brewster's punches that knocked him out, THAT's what happened to Wladimir Klitschko."
On May 3, boxing attorney Judd Burstein undertook the representation of the Brothers Klitschko. Two days later, to great fanfare, Burstein posted a letter demanding a federal investigation into the circumstances surrounding the Brewster-Klitschko fight, copies of which he sent to every media outlet on his rolodex.
Burstein must have coveted the Klitschko account badly. The circulation of the letter might make the younger Klitschko look like a crybaby, but it makes his lawyer look just plan silly.
The public release of Burstein's missive to Daniel G. Bogden, the United States Attorney for the District of Nevada, was accompanied by a press release which included this bizarre sentiment
voiced by the defeated Klitschko:
"I have thought long and hard about requesting an investigation because I am concerned that the public, and particularly my fans, will see me as making excuses instead of taking responsibility for a loss."
What makes this apologia so laughable is that in the month since getting whipped by Brewster, Wladimir has done nothing BUT make excuses. And there's not the slightest suggestion anywhere that he has even remotely accepted responsibility for his loss. The Klitschko camp even fired cutman Joe Souza, claiming that his ******* application of Vaseline had "trapped body heat" inside the fighter. If that were true, Souza would have an entire century's worth of co-conspirators, including virtually every man who ever hefted a spit-bucket.
When his brother fought Corrie Sanders at the Staples Center two weeks later, Wladimir Klitschko was the representative dispatched from Vitali's camp to Sanders' dressing room to oversee the gloving of the opponent. Sanders later recalled that Wladimir, (whom he himself had knocked out in two rounds last year) spent virtually his entire time in the dressing room that night offering a litany of excuses for the Brewster fight.
Dr. Margaret Goodman is the chairwoman of the Nevada State Athletic Commission's medical advisory board and has, since the appointment of Dr. Flip Homansky to the NSAC, served as Nevada's chief ringside physician. She was in the ring and attending to Klitschko seconds after Byrd stopped the fight.
Although there are obviously some doctor-patient confidentiality issues involved, Nevada Attorney General Ken Kizer has assured Dr. Goodman that by placing their inflammatory charges in the public domain, Klitschko and Burstein have essentially waived confidentiality on the particulars they have discussed.
Burstein's letter to the US Attorney claims that:
"Mr. Klitschko has also confirmed that his head was completely clear after the Brewster fight was stopped; yet he could not speak or move his body with ease It is also important to note that Mr. Klitschko's blood sugar level after the fight was 230 -- almost twice the normal level. Medical experts have confirmed to the Klitschko team that such an elevated count may well indicate that Mr. Klitschko was given a foreign substance."
But Dr. Goodman's recollections of events paints a very different picture.
"When I got to the ring Wladimir initially seemed alert and responsive," recalled Goodman, "but then back in the corner he began to exhibit changes. He seemed increasingly lethargic, and within a few minutes became less responsive to questioning."
Dr. Goodman ascribed this to a "transitory loss of consciousness" - in layman's terms, Wladimir was "out on his feet."Comment
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Burstein's letter also claims that Klitschko's "pupils were dilated," which isn't precisely correct, either.
"There was an inequality in the pupils," said Goodman, who recognized this as another cause for concern.
"My immediate concern was that there might be a cerebral injury - either bleeding or swelling on the brain," she said. "Or possibly, he had been hit directly in the eye."
Under Goodman's instruction, Klitschko was immediately transported by ambulance to the trauma center at the University Medical Center in Las Vegas. He was accompanied on this journey by EMTs, by a neurologist, Dr. Albert Capanna, by Vitali Klitschko, and by Emanuel Steward (whose name is somewhat bewilderingly spelled "Emmanuel" in Burstein's letter to the US Attorney's office).
On the short trip to the hospital Klitschko was fitted with an IV, a standard precautionary measure in emergency-room situations like this, simply because should the worst happen, the IV will already be in place; were the patient to, just for instance, suddenly go into convulsions it would be much more difficult to hook him up to an IV.
Under normal circumstances the standard IV would be a D5½NS, which includes a glucose solution. Dr. Goodman was not in the ambulance but noted that "we usually don't use glucose" in connection with potential brain injuries. Still, it is entirely possible that Wladimir Klitschko was either given D5½NS, or, if the EMTs feared a hypoglycemic reaction, they might pushed an ampule of an even more heavily concentrated glucose substance called D50 to replenish Klitschko's blood sugar. It may well have been that the EMTs, who are NOT brain surgeons, administered the most handy available IV. Either would certainly explain the subsequent - and temporary - elevation in his blood sugar.
"We don't know what was in the IV," said Dr. Goodman.
At the hospital Klitschko was administered a full battery of tests, including a CAT scan, and the pupil inequality resolved on its own. To Goodman's relief her initial diagnosis of a Grade 3 concussion was confirmed and her fears of more serious cerebral injury were not. Following the brain examinations, several other routine procedures were followed. All were normal save the blood-sugar level, which was 232, which physicians uniformly agree was "elevated, but not dangerous."
Despite having ruled out their gravest fears, attending physicians wanted Klitschko to remain in the hospital overnight for observation - for the concussion, NOT for the blood sugar, which at that point wasn't even a concern. Dr. Wladimir Klitschko at this point conferred with Dr. Vitali Klitschko and decided to check himself out of the hospital. After signing a form that he was doing so "against medical advice," the two Klitschkos left, accompanied by Steward.
The next morning they had contacted an independent lab called Quest and had repeat blood work done. Everything was normal, including the sugar level. They requested the specimens from UMH and were given the proper phone numbers and instructions for the protocol involved in obtaining these. Although this information was repeatedly provided to the Klitschkos and their representatives over the next several days, they never followed through.
Although blood work and lab specimens which have yielded positive results would be preserved, samples whose results were unremarkable and normal would routinely be disposed of in a week to ten days. The Klitschko camp was provided with phone numbers and ample warning, but in the absence of a response the samples were destroyed.
Burstein apparently sees this as evidence of a conspiracy:
"Incredibly, though, all of the specimens, with the exception of one milliliter of urine (too small an amount to permit meaningful testing), had been destroyed by UMC and Quest. To date, no rational explanation has been presented for this failure to deliver the specimens which UMC and Quest had in their possession at the time Mr. Klitschko requested that they be transferred to Dr. (Robert) Voy. Of course, there are a number of possible explanations, some innocent, for what occurred. However, one of those possible explanations - and an eminently reasonable one - is that those specimens were destroyed in order to hide the truth of what happened to Mr. Klitschko."
"The truth of what happened to Mr. Klitschko" is that he got smacked upside the head by Mr. Brewster. And what would have been highly irregular would have been the preservation of the specimens after the normal expiration period.
The independent lab work done for the Klitschkos by Quest tested for over 100 substances, and even included a toxicology scan on Wladimir's boxing trunks, which were thoughtfully provided to the lab the next day. (Which technician got to check out the brown stains remains unlearned.)
Between Quest's tests and those done at UMH after the fight, the only remotely abnormal result was the blood sugar level drawn after the CAT scan had been completed, and that had resolved by the next morning. The 232 level - again, "elevated but not dangerous" - could have several possible explanations, but the IV in the ambulance remains the most likely one.
In other words, if Klitschko (and Burstein, who ought to know better) are going to throw around charges of "foul play," let's hear some specifics. What mysterious substance is this that would cause Wladimir to get his ass kicked and then disappear altogether?
"How come all of the screens have been normal and nothing has come up?" said Dr. Goodman to the Las Vegas Review Journal's Ross Feour last week after Burstein went public with his letter.
Noting that Klischko had nearly knocked Brewster out in the fourth round, she asked "How could a drug be that transient? Why wouldn't the tests be more abnormal? How come nothing is showing anything?"
"What is it," Goodman asked us over the weekend, "that they THINK he was given?"
The assembled evidence suggests that Wladmir Klitschko ought to be grateful for the medical assistance with which he was provided and thankful for his physical safety. Instead he continues to whine like a child.
And it's not as if this hasn't happened before. Did somebody slip Wladimir a mickey before the Corrie Sanders fight? Was he drugged against Ross Purrity? Was it some mysterious substance that made Vitali 'Quitschko' against Chris Byrd? Was Lennox Lewis able to bust up
Vitali because his gloves were loaded?
Oops, sorry. Forget that last one. Judd Burstein represented LENNOX back then.
What about the other particulars cited in Burstein's missive demanding a federal investigation?Comment
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