Since the start of the 90s so few fighters have more than one or two great wins

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  • J.B.moneY.
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    #31
    Originally posted by winac
    To you and Ricky Ward. This is about beating truly great fighters in their primes. That does not include Hatton, Castillo or Corrales. Look at the names on that list. Every single one of them is an elite fighter. Pavlik was taken off for christs sake. Hopkins, Mosley, Wright, Toney, Jones, MAB, Morales, JMM, Pacquiao, De la Hoya, Trinidad. Don't disrespect those names and ame Hatton in the same breath.

    true to some extent....i'm not saying hatton deserves on that list...but he was the lineal jr. wleter at the time and was untouchable in that weight class, and floyd took him to school....i think its a great win imo for floyd....and castillo was a great fighter in his prime as well and floyd fought him in his prime....i think if a guy fights really good fighters those wins are great wins in my eyes

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    • mr.thraz
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      #32
      maybe you should think about some of the things in your list in relation to what i've marked in red.


      Roy Jones: James Toney, Bernard Hopkins (he did fight and win against b-hop), Antonio Tarver (how could you give this win to b-hop and not to jones who beat him first), Virgil Hill

      Bernard Hopkins: Felix Trinidad, De La Hoya, Antonio Tarver, Winky Wright

      James Toney: None

      Oscar De La Hoya: None, Pernell Whitiker (not in his prime i know but he was good enough to have most observers believing he was up by a few points by the twelve .)

      Winky Wright: Felix Trinidad (i don't think you could consider Felix in his prime for that fight and if you do than give jones that win against Felix as well.) , Shane Mosley twice

      Shane Mosley: De La Hoya twice

      Felix Trinidad: De la Hoya

      Floyd Mayweather: Hatton, De la Hoya

      Marco Antonio Barrera: Erik Morales twice, *Naseem Hamed (how was he a great?)

      Erik Morales: Marco Antonio Barrera, Manny Pacquiao

      Manny Pacquiao: Marco Antonio Barrera first fight, Juan Manuel Marquez, De la Hoya (i think he over trained i don't think he's done)

      Juan Manuel Marquez: Marco Antonio Barrera

      Joe Calzaghe: None

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      • mr.thraz
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        #33
        ha ha la la nana

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          #34
          Originally posted by winac
          Looking at all the fighters of this generation so few have more than one or two wins against truly great fighters who were in their primes at the time of the fight

          Roy Jones: James Toney

          Bernard Hopkins: Felix Trinidad, De La Hoya, Antonio Tarver, Winky Wright

          James Toney: None

          Oscar De La Hoya: None

          Winky Wright: Felix Trinidad, Shane Mosley twice

          Shane Mosley: De La Hoya twice

          Felix Trinidad: De la Hoya

          Floyd Mayweather: None

          Marco Antonio Barrera: Erik Morales twice, Naseem Hamed

          Erik Morales: Marco Antonio Barrera, Manny Pacquiao

          Manny Pacquiao: Marco Antonio Barrera first fight, Juan Manuel Marquez

          Juan Manuel Marquez: Marco Antonio Barrera

          Joe Calzaghe: None

          I am only including wins against great fighters not wins that could be deemed great for other reasons
          I dont see how beating Tarver and Winky is any better than beating McCallum and Jirov.

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            #35
            Originally posted by winac
            It is true. He may have great wins but none are against truly great fighters in their prime


            Tarver = truely great fighter in his prime?

            Get the *** outta here you dip****.

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            • winac
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              #36
              Originally posted by Testdead
              Tarver = truely great fighter in his prime?

              Get the *** outta here you dip****.
              Okay, let's discount Tarver then. Makes no difference

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              • Bushbaby
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                #37
                Great post,Floyd aint beat no prime time great,the best fighter on his resume was an old DLH,it was clear,by that fight against Collazo,Hatton had no buisness fighting at 147!!Calzaghe did not beat a great PRIME fighter either!!I get ur point on trying to emphesize great fighters in their prime!!Not past his prime,or a decent fighter,who is far from great!!

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by winac
                  Looking at all the fighters of this generation so few have more than one or two wins against truly great fighters who were in their primes at the time of the fight

                  Roy Jones: James Toney, Antonio Tarver

                  Bernard Hopkins: Felix Trinidad, De La Hoya, Antonio Tarver, Winky Wright

                  James Toney: None

                  Oscar De La Hoya: None

                  Winky Wright: Felix Trinidad, Shane Mosley twice

                  Shane Mosley: De La Hoya twice

                  Felix Trinidad: De la Hoya

                  Floyd Mayweather: None

                  Marco Antonio Barrera: Erik Morales twice, Naseem Hamed

                  Erik Morales: Marco Antonio Barrera, Manny Pacquiao

                  Manny Pacquiao: Marco Antonio Barrera first fight, Juan Manuel Marquez

                  Juan Manuel Marquez: Marco Antonio Barrera

                  Joe Calzaghe: None

                  I am only including wins against great fighters not wins that could be deemed great for other reasons
                  LOL@ Oscar DLH being a "great" win for Bernard. Please define great win cuz judging from your list, it looks like you define it as a win over someone you've heard of before.

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                  • winac
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by IMDAZED
                    LOL@ Oscar DLH being a "great" win for Bernard. Please define great win cuz judging from your list, it looks like you define it as a win over someone you've heard of before.
                    I didn't call it a great win. Re read my initial post. Do you think it is a coincedence that the reason we have heard of these fighters is because they are great fighters?

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                    • Rich Loc
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                      #40
                      If PBF beat Cotto/Mosley/Williams/Clottey/ None of them are even great wins. Pacman that's a great win

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