Who [active] UNDER THE AGE OF 32 has MORE acclompishments than Floyd Mayweather??

[Horus]

Undisputed means you hold all the recognized major titles: WBA, WBO, WBC, IBF. That way... there is no dispute. The WBO has recently gained recognition as a major title, before it was just the other 3. It's obvious if you have all the major titles, you're going to be crowned The Ring Champion as well.

Sorry guys, Benny is absolutely right.

The Ring might be the most respected, but that does not equate to "undisputed".

lol we usually agree on almost everything, but this should be fun disagreeing with you for once.

Before I go into Any kind of argument:

Delivery
who is the undisputed champion at 140?
Meaning there is no dispute!

you are talking about Unified, not Undisputed.

[deliveryman]

Ahh, I see that someone with some understanding has come hither to clarify. See that second line (as in second sentence) above Horus? Do you understand what that means?

Oh man, this get's a bit wiggy in here with these psycho's.

Good stuff Deliveryman.

Hell even wikipedia has an article on it.

The very first paragraph:

"In professional boxing, the undisputed champion of a weight class is a boxer who is recognized as the world champion at that class by all the major sanctioning bodies.[1][2] Which bodies are considered "major" varies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undisputed_Champion

[BennyST]

lol we usually agree on almost everything, but this should be fun disagreeing with you for once.

Before I go into Any kind of argument:

Delivery
who is the undisputed champion at 140?
Meaning there is no dispute!

you are talking about Unified, not Undisputed.

There is not an undisputed champion at 140. There is the ring champion Hatton. He only holds the Ring championship and some other useless title. He is not the undisputed champion. There are other champions in that division you know Horus.

See that line bolded above. There is a dispute at 140. Bradley disputes Hatton's claim as the undisputed champion, as does Holt. Hatton has been the longest champion there, but he has not beaten all title holders and is not the undisputed champion.

[Horus]

Unified= Every Belt
Undisputed = Ring Belt and Universal Recognition as the man

For every belt you have you have to pay a belt holders fee.
this is why baldomir when he beat zab didnt keep all the belts...it was because he didnt want to pay the fee for the WBC,WBO,WBA,IBF, etc.

And Most fighters dont like paying 10% of their purse just to hold 4 titles in one division when everybody already knows that they are the man.

Thats why when fighters get the ring belt, that means they are the man
reguardless of the of having 2 belts or 7 belts. It is too many ABC belts now and days to try and get everyone. so instead you fight the top guys in your division reguardless and become undisputed champion.


If they got rid of the sanction fees for holding belts, everybody would try to hold on to the belts forever. but every org. want to charge too much money to be considered their champion.


That's why when you become become undisputed you are consider the man

As I said before

[deliveryman]

lol we usually agree on almost everything, but this should be fun disagreeing with you for once.

Before I go into Any kind of argument:

Delivery
who is the undisputed champion at 140?
Meaning there is no dispute!

you are talking about Unified, not Undisputed.

Currently? There isn't an undisputed champion.

Ricky Hatton is the lineal champion.

[Horus]

Currently? There isn't an undisputed champion.

Ricky Hatton is the lineal champion.

Ok,
What do you recognize the ring belt as?

btw
I will be back in probably 20 minutes because i am leaving from my job right now and i will check the boards when i get home

[deliveryman]

Ok,
What do you recognize the ring belt as?

btw
I will be back in probably 20 minutes because i am leaving from my job right now and i will check the boards when i get home

No problem, I got to get to bed soon, so we might have to finish this argument tomorrow.

I recognize The Ring Belt as another "title". Personally, I usually hold The Ring belt in a higher regard than the other titles, but that is opinion, not fact and therefore subjected to debate. Ultimately, The Ring is just another title.

By the way:

Here's list of "undisputed" champions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_undisputed_boxing_champions

Kostya Tszyu was the lasted undisputed champion, which ended in 2003 when he vacated the WBC title.

As of now, or since then, there hasn't been a unification, thus there isn't an undisputed champion. The two go hand in hand.

[BennyST]

The Ring belt is the Ring belt.
The WBA is the WBA.
The WBC is the WBC.
The WBO is just that.
The IBF is also just that.

The undisputed champion means you have them all. If you win all, then you will of course become the Ring 'champion' also. Why do you call it the Ring champion Horus? Why isn't Pavlik called the undisputed champion? Why isn't Klit called that, what about Dawson? What about Mayweather in every division he was ever in? He was the man, but he was never undisputed.

[Left Hook Tua]

undisputed is all 4 of the major orgs wbc , ibf , wba and wbo (it was 3 until recently. the wbo has only received credibility in recent year) AND the ring/lineal title.

only undisputed guys i can think of in recent memory is hopkins and lewis.

even roy was not considered undisputed because dariusz had the wbo belt and was the lineal champ.

[deliveryman]

undisputed is all 4 of the major orgs wbc , ibf , wba and wbo (it was 3 until recently. the wbo has only received credibility in recent year) AND the ring/lineal title.

only undisputed guys i can think of in recent memory is hopkins and lewis.

even roy was not considered undisputed because dariusz had the wbo belt and was the lineal champ.

Don't forget Haye, Tszyu, Calzaghe, Judah and Wright.