How do you view Cotto's LOSS to Margarito.. now..

[FLY TY]

I don't think we're in disagreement here.
The question still stands though. What did it take for that upset?
If it was fair, we'll see a repeat in their rematch.



Well, if you go back and watch ALL of Cotto's career, you'll see he won ALOT of his fights by walking backwards. But against Marg it was at a MUCH faster backwards walk pace.
It was cause alot of those blows WERE more than stinging.
His legs gave out, Cotto said it himself.

Was Marg dictating the fight? Yea, but to a certain degree though. It was a faster paced version than Miguel ever fought. He usually takes a shot to deliver his signature left hook. In this case, he didn't want to take that INITIAL shot.

we agree on just about everything....i want a rematch too.

i won't sit here and say, "margarito DID NOT load his gloves against cotto," but i can't say "he DID," either. i'm just a fan of hard evidence that's all, and so far there's none to support he DID in fact cheat against cotto.

on a diff note, look at it like this.....shane is bigger than cotto, margarito is bigger than both........i think we can agree that a punch won't have the same affect if you throw it going backwards, instead of standing your ground or even moving forward.......especially against a bigger guy.

[AllEyesOpen]

I think loaded glove on not Cotto would have lost against Margarito. Margarito cut Cotto's eye & busted his nose since round 2 and although Cotto managed to do well & make the first 6 rounds competetive( i wouldn't say he won all, but almost) i knew sooner or later he'd slow down. It's hard to keep up with Margarito's work rate. At the same time I knew Mosley had the tools to outbox Margarito, though i highly doubted it & didn't think he'd get the knockout. I feel the outcome of this fight would have been the same either way and as unfortunate as it is no one can be sure how it went down.

[Derranged]

did restro get his boxing license back???

I dont think so.

I just cant believe that Resto was my trainer at one point.. Its weird.

[anonymousboxing]

partly agree....

if you watch the fight on replay though, you'd notice margarito nodded his head at mosley when mosley landed good shots, as if to say, "that was a nice shot!"

against cotto, there was no acknowledgement whatsoever, margarito just took 'em, and shook 'em off.....

Good observation.
I noticed that too.

But Did you notice after Marg's victory over Cotto he was walking around the ring smiling and each time he made eye contact with Cotto, his smile would immediately fade?

He didn't like Cotto much at all.
I'd acknowledge the whole smile or no smile as indication of how they're feeling at the moment, but a smile can lie, busted up cuts, and bruses don't lie.

Margarito reached his limit with Cotto amigo.
Check his face out:

also, against mosley, margarito was JUST eating shots all night. he had little to no success against mosley, until about the 7th round, i think.....so basically margarito was just getting his ass beat for the first 6 rounds.....

against cotto, even though cotto controlled much of the first 6 rounds, margarito had success against him too. cotto was landing shots, BUT margarito was landing hard shots in retalitation, and he broke cotto's nose in the second round.....

its easier to keep fighting, and your adrenaline keeps pumping, when you're able to find success.....when you're basically a punching bag for 6 rounds, its a different story.

another thing is that shane's power was VERY underrated.....he probably hits harder than cotto.....38 KO's in 45 wins.....not to mention mosley was bigger, and more accustomed to the weight......a lot of factors play into it

I agree with you about shane being underrated though!
It's a tough toss up to say who has the more powerful punch between Cotto/Shane - remembering it requires skill to land their best shot.

[MANGLER]

Ok, I can take that but why glorify it?

What makes that such a special victory, because his Mexican and Cotto is Puerto Rican?

Because Puerto Rico has kicked Mexican fighters ass more times than they have us?

Why glorify it?

We all think the guy cheated but can't do anything about, WTF?

I can see why your ***** ass's life style is trashy!

^^^ This is why everybody needs to get off this ****. This is what it's come to around here, grown men (?) bitchin and firin off insults str8 outta elementary school. I was a fan of Marg before and cut him no slack for bein a cheatin bastard. But I dare say I won't judge him for **** I don't know to be 100% true and I'm automatically glorifyin his win over Cotto? I don't share the same opinion as you so I'm obviously a racist Mexican guy who's dissin PR? I openly stated in my post there's nothin wrong wit cats suspectin him of havin cheated against Cotto, I just didn't ***** up a storm and proclaim it to be the undisputed truth, and I got some noob whinin like he just started his period. It's cats like this that make Cotto's true fans look bad.

[anonymousboxing]

Good observation.

Margarito reached his limit with Cotto amigo.
Check his face out:

oh and when I say he reached his limit I mean in comparison to his previous fights. I don't remember him looking so bad, and I have his whole career dvd set.

[FLY TY]

Good observation.
I noticed that too.

But Did you notice after Marg's victory over Cotto he was walking around the ring smiling and each time he made eye contact with Cotto, his smile would immediately fade?

He didn't like Cotto much at all.
I'd acknowledge the whole smile or no smile as indication of how they're feeling at the moment, but a smile can lie, busted up cuts, and bruses don't lie.

Margarito reached his limit with Cotto amigo.
Check his face out:







I agree with you about shane being underrated though!
It's a tough toss up to say who has the more powerful punch between Cotto/Shane - remembering it requires skill to land their best shot.

oh and when I say he reached his limit I mean in comparison to his previous fights. I don't remember him looking so bad, and I have his whole career dvd set.

right. i honeslty don't think either guy liked the other before that first fight.....i think maybe there might've been a mutual respect there....

now? all that **** is out the window, i'm pretty sure they HATE each other, and i don't think there's any respect there whatsover anymore. should make for a great rematch!

and to your point about margarito reaching his limit with cotto.....you may have a point. that was a brutal "war," and i think WAR is the correct term too. there was specualtion that neither guy would be the same after that....i guess we'll find out......but i gave props to both guys for the performances they put on that night, they left in all in the ring.

[Luis12]

the way margarito-mosley ended was the way that was suppose to end cotto-margarito. i believe that without the loaded gloves cotto was going to koed margarito. margarito's style, take two punches to give one, was the perfect for cotto and mosley.

cotto was beating the hell out of margarito and making him miss a lot. took loaded gloves to make cotto quit.

[PRPP]

^^^ This is why everybody needs to get off this ****. This is what it's come to around here, grown men (?) bitchin and firin off insults str8 outta elementary school. I was a fan of Marg before and cut him no slack for bein a cheatin bastard. But I dare say I won't judge him for **** I don't know to be 100% true and I'm automatically glorifyin his win over Cotto? I don't share the same opinion as you so I'm obviously a racist Mexican guy who's dissin PR? I openly stated in my post there's nothin wrong wit cats suspectin him of havin cheated against Cotto, I just didn't ***** up a storm and proclaim it to be the undisputed truth, and I got some noob whinin like he just started his period. It's cats like this that make Cotto's true fans look bad.

No, it's cats like you who want it both ways.

You can't say you didn't cut him no slack and then turn around and say he won fair and square.

We all now know, the guy is a ***in cheat, so what makes you think he didn't cheat against Cotto?

[FLY TY]

the way margarito-mosley ended was the way that was suppose to end cotto-margarito. i believe that without the loaded gloves cotto was going to koed margarito. margarito's style, take two punches to give one, was the perfect for cotto and mosley.

cotto was beating the hell out of margarito and making miss a lot. took loaded gloves to make cotto quit.

he was....but margarito was hitting him plenty too, and margarito is bigger. you can't compare the two fights, mosley and cotto fought different fights against margarito, and its my opinion, mosley has a tad bit more power than cotto.