Shane Mosley is Not Interested in Paul Williams, Either

[larryx]

HAHAHA
I have to agree with you MOOKIE!
or whatever that dude called you on the other thread

I love shane but he needs to fight someone like berto
I dont see him beating Williams cause he is too tall and has a way longer reach
it would be Forrest and Wright all over again

lol......................

[Eaner0919]

I dont get it, Maybe its because of his age.....But hasnt Mosley had alot of big money fights??? oscar twice was big money..Vargas twice was for big money...Winky twice was for big money..even the forrest fight was for big money...So whats all this talk about mosley deserve big money fights???

He had more big money fight than most people except for oscar.

what do you consider big money?

the most I think he has gotten has been the 4.5 million he got from the DLH rematch. He got about 2 million and 3 million for the Vargas fights and I think around 2 million for the Winky fights

not exactly pennies but not exactly the huge money matchups you are suggesting

Shane has always been a B-side to someone's A so while he has been in big fights his purses haven't always matched especially when you take into account split %s

[Eaner0919]

Paul Williams is the best what?

He left the Weltwerweight division. He gave up his belt.

I don't buy the offers. How much truth is there to this 4 million offer?

Dan Goosen bull****.

How many turned up to see Williams-Phillips? Nobody will turn up to see Winky-Williams. The place will be empty. How is Williams a draw?

Williams brings nothing to the table and he isn't even fighting in the same division as Shane.

but Shane is supposed to fight him to prove he is the best........something.

Yeah right.

Im sure Shane is terrified of Paul.

The 4 million was offered to Bob not to Margarito or his team. It's been discussed ad naseum on these boards

considering Dan has talked to Tony's team before in trying to make fights they found it odd they would only offer the 4 million to Bob and not to the team to accept.

[Dave Rado]

Paul Williams is the best what?

Welterweight. That's why Margarito, Mosley and Cotto all refuse to fight him.

He left the Weltwerweight division.

No, he said he is fighting in three divisions simultaneously and will fight at 147 the moment he can get a meaningful fight at the weight. He tried to get a fight with Clottey last autumn but Arum and HBO killed it between them even though Clottey wanted the fight. He tried to get a fight with Margarito this year, and offered Margarito a $4 million guarantee to fight him, but Margarito turned him down to fight Mosley for $2.3 million instead. Then he tried to get a fight with Mosley after he beat Margarito but Mosley said "I'll fight anyone but not him".

He gave up his belt.

The WBO belt is the least respected of all the alphabet belts and their rankings are a joke - hence Jennings was Cotto's mandatory and WBO's no. 1 contender at a time when he was only rated #50 by boxrec. Williams wants to fight for the lineal title and he wants to fight top Welterweights, not bums who the WBO calls mandatories; and he should be respected for that.

I don't buy the offers. How much truth is there to this 4 million offer?

Can you read? See here:

At one point, Williams’ promoter, Dan Goossen, tried to make the rematch by making Margarito an offer of $4 million dollars. The offer, sent over to Bob Arum of Top Rank, was never passed on to Margarito’s team. Last November, Sergio Diaz, Margarito’s co-manager, told BoxingScene.com that he was unaware of any $4 million dollar offer for a Williams rematch. Diaz approached Top Rank about the Williams rematch, and Arum denied the existence of such an offer.

"We spoke to our promoter about the Williams fight and no formal offer was ever made. I can go on the Internet and say we offered any amount of money for whatever fighter. Bob told us there was no formal offer made — it was just an Internet offer," Diaz said.

Top Rank president Todd duBoef, echoed Diaz’s statements during an interview with Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. During his conversation with Iole, duBoef said there "never was a Williams offer."

Iole did some digging and received two hard pieces of evidence from Dan Goossen. The first was a letter dated July 31, which Goossen sent to Arum. In the letter, Goossen offered Margarito "a minimum guarantee of $4 million against 50 percent of net revenues to Top Rank/Margarito."

The second piece of evidence was a letter dated August 4, rejecting Goossen’s offer. Arum tried to make a fight between Williams and Pavlik, but the two sides were never able to reach an agreement. More so than the experience from the Pavlik negotiations, Arum refused to do business with Williams’ advisor Al Haymon.

"Thank you for your letter of July 31, 2008 regarding Paul Williams. After the terrible experience I was subjected to by Paul Williams, his camp and advisor in connection with a (Kelly) Pavlik fight, I have absolutely no intention whatsoever to be involved in any fight with Mr. Williams. Accordingly, your proposal is in all respects rejected and I would request that you do no contact me again regarding Mr. Williams," Arum wrote in the letter.

As early as November, Top Rank was laying the groundwork for Margarito’s 2009 experience. A fight with Shane Mosley in January, a rematch with Miguel Cotto in June, and a possible third fight at the end of the year. Most were anticipating, or at least hoping, that Williams would become the year-end opponent for 09.

When Margarito stepped in the ring to fight Mosley, he was a 4-1 favorite to win. There were very few who gave Mosley a respectable shot to win the fight.

Williams thought Mosley would beat Margarito, but even he was surprised with the one-sided nature of the fight. Williams told BoxingScene.com that Margarito is done as a top fighter. Over the years, Margarito has been involved in a number of wars. Williams credits those wars as the contributing factors to Margarito’s physical decline against Mosley.

“I'm sure Margarito wishes he took that deal now. He would have still lost but at least he would have went to the bank. Instead he lost his title, his pride and $2 million dollars [Margarito made $2.3 for Mosley]. I thought Molsey would win. I though Mosley would win the first seven rounds and Margarito would come on late, but after I saw him taking all of those punches - I knew it was just a matter of time,” Williams said.

Im sure Shane is terrified of Paul.

No, Mosley isn't terrified and I didn't say he is. But he has a poor track record against tall fighters, he's lost twice to Wright and twice to Forrest; and he knows he would probably lose to Williams as well. The article said "Mosley does not believe their styles will match up well". It says absolutely nothing about him not bringing anything to the table. I'll at least give Mosley credit for being a lot more honest than you are.

[jvsnypes]

This is what kills boxing.Suppose the Boston Celtics said they didn't want to play the Lakers or the Yankees said they didn't want to play the RedSox,wouldn't that be an injustice to their sport and fans?Boxing needs a higher authority to step in and make this sport legit.They should order unification fights so there can only be one champion per division and they must defend their title three times a year.Top contenders must battle for the number one spot.This would keep all the top guys in the ring facing each other.If they weren't willing to do it then they wouldn't have a boxing career.What Shane is pretty much saying is ,he doesn't want to fight Berto or Williams cause they can beat him.He wants the easier fights for bigger money.Makes sense financially but cheats the fans and is a disgrace for any athlete who claims they want to be the best.

[fdotorres]

If you want to call yourself the best you have to beat the best, end of story.

And it's a myth that Williams brings nothing financially. Margarito was offered a $4 million guarantee to fight Williams this year but chose to fight Mosley for only $2.3 million instead. Williams brings more to the table financially than Mosley does.

i agree. you have to beat the best. buuuuuut he got beaten by quintana. he did win against tony, but it was close, while mosley demolished tony

mosley doesn't need to prove anything against PW. if anything, PW's the one that needs to prove anything. beating bums at higher classes is something even little but elite welters could do.

[Dave Rado]

i agree. you have to beat the best. buuuuuut he got beaten by quintana. he did win against tony, but it was close, while mosley demolished tony

mosley doesn't need to prove anything against PW. if anything, PW's the one that needs to prove anything. beating bums at higher classes is something even little but elite welters could do.

You think Winky is a bum? Get real.

Verno Phillips was hardly a bum either, and had never been stopped before Williams stopped him.

And he could hardly have avenged the Quintana defeat more emphatically - to hold that against him now is like saying that Lewis isn't as good as Rahman or McCall because he lost his first fights with them.

If Williams beats Winky, who beat Mosley twice, then you can't say that he doesn't deserve a shot against Mosley.

[larryx]

come on with the mosley is a ***** and ducks real welterweights posts guys dont be biased

[Shadow boxer 3]

i dont see why is everyone is scared to fight him. P. Will hasnt really done anything besides a split decesion win against Marg that could hav went either way

[taino78]

i feel shane should take berto and unify so he can raise his stock because arum most likely will not put pac with him. if its up to shane hell want 2 stay on the shelf until cotto comes through