Floyd Mayweather Sr is not a great trainer

[ßringer]

if you don't see what he did for hatton, then you can't possibly see how good of a trainer he really is.

What did he do different against Malignaggi that he didn't do 22 months earlier for the first 6 rounds against Juan Urango?

Really? I saw nothing new.

Ricky just boxed a little bit more than usual : Something he's always been capable of on his own, as the first half of the Urango fight so clearly demonstrated.

[-Swizzy-]

What did he do different against Malignaggi that he didn't do 22 months earlier for the first 6 rounds against Juan Urango?

Really? I saw nothing new.

Ricky just boxed a little bit more than usual : Something he's always been capable of on his own, as the first half of the Urango fight so clearly demonstrated.

Senior doesn't add anything new to fighters, he just brings out the best in them. He made hatton better at what he already does. Hatton almost lost to Lazcano for god sakes and then he goes and demolishes Malignaggi in the very next fight. IMO, without Senior to train him for that fight, he would have surely lost.

Everyone thinks that Senior was going to make Hatton box instead of brawl, but Senior's intention was never to take Hatton out of his element, he was just going to improve on Hatton's natural ability and that is what he did. Thats what Senior does with all his fighters and that is what makes him a good trainer.

[MANGLER]

He's good, but not gr8.

[Dynamite Kid]

Senior doesn't add anything new to fighters, he just brings out the best in them. He made hatton better at what he already does. Hatton almost lost to Lazcano for god sakes and then he goes and demolishes Malignaggi in the very next fight. IMO, without Senior to train him for that fight, he would have surely lost.

Everyone thinks that Senior was going to make Hatton box instead of brawl, but Senior's intention was never to take Hatton out of his element, he was just going to improve on Hatton's natural ability and that is what he did. Thats what Senior does with all his fighters and that is what makes him a good trainer.

Hatton dominated Lazcano. He barley lost a round.

Hatton did nothing that i haven't seen from him in the past. Watch him against Tackie early rounds against Urango etc.

[Steak]

ha, ok then. if you honestly believe that Hatton would have lost the Malignaggi fight without Sr., then I dont know what to say. Malignaggi is one of the weakest punching title holders since Chris Byrd, all Hatton had to do was bull through those powderpuff punches and tear up Malignaggi.

and how did he make Hatton better in any way? you just said yourself that there was nothing different about Hatton. do you really think Sr made him a better mauler? can you name one thing Hatton did better in the Malignaggi fight that he didnt do before in the Castillo or Urango fights?

I saw Hatton keeping his right hand a little higher that time, but thats about it. didnt look better conditioned, didnt look more skilled, didnt look like he even had a particular gameplan...he just did what he always does, no better than hes done in the past.

[sunny31]

Senior doesn't add anything new to fighters, he just brings out the best in them. He made hatton better at what he already does. Hatton almost lost to Lazcano for god sakes and then he goes and demolishes Malignaggi in the very next fight. IMO, without Senior to train him for that fight, he would have surely lost.

Everyone thinks that Senior was going to make Hatton box instead of brawl, but Senior's intention was never to take Hatton out of his element, he was just going to improve on Hatton's natural ability and that is what he did. Thats what Senior does with all his fighters and that is what makes him a good trainer.

Exactly, people expect miracles but this sport does not work like that, there were quite a few subtle things hatton did especially defensively with his right hand pawing malignaggi's jab, and Floyd snr realized that hatton has a very good up-jab so he made him use it more...I feel like im talking to a boxing historian rather than someone who really knows there stuff inside the ring.

I am very hesitant to talk about trainers, unless it is something obvious in front of our eyes like the wrong or right advice in a corner, fact of the matter is, it is very hard to judge a trainer unless you have seen him up close and personal. You can judge Mayweather snr on all the fighters he has trained and come to your conclusions mainly based on opinion, but the one fighter he trained from childhood and he created and molded to best suit his style, went on to become the very best fighter of his era

[Pullcounter]

I dont know where people get this idea from. The guy is only know because of his son. name me one guy hes actually done well with.

saying Mayweather Jr. is laughable, Roger was his trainer pretty much all his pro career. thats like saying Roy Jones Sr is a fantastic trainer because he started his son off in boxing. its just dumb. Sr was in jail since 2003, 3 years before Mayweather even went into the Olympics.

I don't think you're being fair to floyd sr. floyd sr. laid the foundation and roger just picked up where floyd sr. left off.

I saw little to no difference in Hatton against Malignaggi, and he actually did better when he went back to his old mauling style.

nope, hatton was doing better when he was patient, which floyd sr. tried to get him to do. hatton got the knock down because he was patient... he never landed another hard punch because hatton got impatient and went back to his mauling ways.

a mauling hatton sux asss.

Mayweather did nothing with Joan Guzman other than screw up bad and let his fighter come in overweight and not fight. Guzman was trained by Don House up till 2007 and I think someone else before that. and surprise surprise, Guzman is now being trained by Roberto Garcia. in other words, Mayweather Sr did nothing there.

again, you aren't being fair to floyd. i agree that guzman was already as good as he was gonna get by the time floyd worked with him, but floyd wasn't responsible for guzman being overweight.

saying he did a good job with De La Hoya is a stretch, at best. if anything, he got hit more by Vargas than most people expected, and he didnt look in any way improved after training with Mayweather Sr.

floyd didn't give dlh any new wrinkles in terms of boxing skills, but I think he understands dlh better than any other dlh trainer. he's able to get the best out of oscar in training.

your surprized that dlh got hit as much as he did against vargas, but dlh had an easier time w/ vargas than mosley did.

so Im confused...what makes Sr such a wonderful trainer?

IMHO, basically he is a part of the ***********al mayweather family. the mayweathers are a famous boxing family. if you have him as a trainer, his fame rubs off on you.

other than that, he is good w/ the mitts and can give u a good work out.

[Bhopreign]

I dont know where people get this idea from. The guy is only know because of his son. name me one guy hes actually done well with.

saying Mayweather Jr. is laughable, Roger was his trainer pretty much all his pro career. thats like saying Roy Jones Sr is a fantastic trainer because he started his son off in boxing. its just dumb. Sr was in jail since 2003, 3 years before Mayweather even went into the Olympics.

I saw little to no difference in Hatton against Malignaggi, and he actually did better when he went back to his old mauling style.

Mayweather did nothing with Joan Guzman other than screw up bad and let his fighter come in overweight and not fight. Guzman was trained by Don House up till 2007 and I think someone else before that. and surprise surprise, Guzman is now being trained by Roberto Garcia. in other words, Mayweather Sr did nothing there.

saying he did a good job with De La Hoya is a stretch, at best. if anything, he got hit more by Vargas than most people expected, and he didnt look in any way improved after training with Mayweather Sr.

so Im confused...what makes Sr such a wonderful trainer?

Your posts are usually spot on but I think youre wrong here. You cant just scoff at his product in his son and say Roger is more to blame for that when he isnt. In boxing its all about the foundation laid and Sr. is responsible for that.

Its is painstakingly hard to get a professional fighter the likes of Guzman as you mentioned and try to get them to do things they have instinctively done otherwise all their lives, thats no easy task and in some cases almost impossible. Again look at what he did with Junior and go from there, thats all you need to look at.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

i think Sr is highly overrated on this site

[-Hyperion-]

everyone who defends sr=*****...