Khan vs. Barrera - Official Protest is Filed By Don King

[Dave Rado]

because in the uk, they like to screw fighters over. Especially ones with alot of pride like barrera who would never quit on his stool.

The UK doesn't have a particularly bad reputation for screwing fighters over - it's not like Germany. I've seen a lot more obvious robberies in US fights than in UK fights.

In any case, most major UK fights involving a foreign fighter use an international referee and judges. Don King could have negotiated that for this fight, and didn't. You should blame King for that. Who the referee and judges were matters much more than where the venue was.

[toysale]

Had Khan been cut like that in the first, it would have been stopped....nuff said

yeah it would've immediately, NC and then a rematch aswell. i'm a khan fan but can't help but think that MAB was robbed a bit. Khan dominated the first 5 rounds but who knows what might have happened in the other 7.

[SHB]

You don't know that - no one does. It's easy for a fast, athletic fighter to look good for less than a round against a slower pressure fighter; and once Barrera was cut, he could no longer judge distance, so you can't conclude anything from what happened after the cut. Frazier barely landed a punch for the first four rounds of his first fight with Ali. Then Frazier started to catch up with Ali in round 5, and from then on it became a war of attrition.

Khan's stamina over 12 rounds has never been tested under pressure. It would be a good test for Khan to rematch Barrera, and it would be justice for Barrera, as it should definitely have been a NC.

I'm making assumptions but then so are you. And mine are backed up by events on the night. While no doubt hampered, I saw enough to see exactly why Warren put Khan in with Barrera - he knew.

[zojo]

you americans sound like a bunch of whining bitches.

Khan won DEAL WITH IT

[stefjonno1]

you americans sound like a bunch of whining bitches.

Khan won DEAL WITH IT

Khan won because of a ref and doctor who never done their job properly, simple as that. If it was Khans fists that made the cut there would be no argument. Barrera got stitched up.



Plenty of brits also thought it was a joke! Myself included.

[alembic]

Don King is right. Over the top as usual, but right.

Based on the severity of the injury, stopping the fight only after the requisite rounds were done for the W is pretty lame. Then using the W to proclaim "I proved my critics wrong!" is misguided at best.

If the gash was suffered by Khan, probably the fight would've been declared NC after round 1.

I'm not sure how the ring physician ascertained MAB's condition, but asking "can you continue?" IMO would've been the wrong question. Of course Marco is going to say "yes". Saying "no" would make any fighter feel like a quitter.

The proper question pertaining to a fighter's safety would've been "can you see properly?" That would've given MAB a way out. For some reason I don't feel this was the question used by the physician. If it was, and MAB replied "yes" (which I doubt), then he has no one to blame but himself for the decisions that were made afterwards.

[alembic]

Also, fans in the UK are lucky to have Ian Darke and Jim Watt on Sky.

[S A M U R A I]

take that for getting a *****-win against a barrera that had a one-eye and concussion for almost the entire short fight.




because in the uk, they like to screw fighters over. Especially ones with alot of pride like barrera who would never quit on his stool.

Off topic: Just had to reply because of that Fury GIF in your sig. Cracks me up every time! I bet the other guy was thinking "WTF are you doing?"

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[ACHlLLES]

Off topic: Just had to reply because of that Fury GIF in your sig. Cracks me up every time! I bet the other guy was thinking "WTF are you doing?"

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That punch looked like it hurt too, I think he came close to knocking himself out. Hahahaha, I think Tyson furry will end up koing himself one of these days and making himself look like a bigger joke then tye fields. It clearly shows that if you block his punches, he might accidently slide off your gloves and KO himself.

[GrizzleBoy]

Well that was insightful! Now put yourself in the boxer's shoes and you now have that big a55 cut on your head. The ref asks you, "Can you continue?" and you say, "yeah, I'm a warrior and I want to fight on!" or whatever you chose to say to him. That rd ends as does the second and now the third, and you start to think to yourself, "Man, I can't even see anything out of this eye b/c of blood. When are they going to stop this thing?" Then you start wondering, "What if they don't want to stop the fight because they are trying to rob me? What am I gonna do- do I think I can win this anyway?"

Then the fourth rd starts, the last rd that you could possibly saved by a ND. In the middle of the rd the ref halts the action and takes you over to the doctor and he asks you, "Grizzleboy, can you continue?" Now this is where if it were me, I would have been like, "Man, if I say yes they might stop it anyway in the next couple of rds because I'm fighting in Khan's backyard and they might try to f-me" I would be like, "I can't see out of the left eye because of the cut, it is hard to see the punches at all"

Now, as you alluded to, only the ref can stop the fight at this juncture (or his corner or the doctor) but if you keep giving them the impression that you want to continue and pretend that the cut is not bothering you, then....

Anyways, Barrera is a legend and what if the ref was like, "man, that cut is terrible but this is Barrera should I let him fight on he is a warrior?"

I agree that the fight should have been stopped as a ND and am not debating that fact. I also think that there was some home cooking in the mix to give Khan the win, not debating that either.

Just saying that had he been more vocal about the hinderence caused by the cut.....scratch that- vocal at all period, maybe the ref would have stopped the fight. Just imagine how bad it would look then when people tune in watching replays of a severely cut and bloodied legend like Barrera telling the ref that the cut is too bad and that he couldn't see and they still let it go on. I think given the ramifications of such public humiliation, the ref/doctor would have no choice but to stop the fight as a ND even if they wanted to spoon-feed Khan as everyone is suggesting.

Just my opinion too; however in the Guerrero fight he clearly indicated to the ref that the eye bothered him and consequently a ND was called. He did not stop the fight himself but his indication that the eye was a problem surely played a large part. Guerrero caught grief for being a coward but he will get to fight again with out another loss on his record right?

Empathy goes a long way in analyzing situations.

You're missing the whole point.

The very fact that they're asking Barerra whether he can go on with a bone deep cut that is blatantly bothering him to the point where even the UK commentators state "it's bothering him, that eye is definately bothering him", is a massive failure on their part.

Like I said, it's not upto the boxer.

It's up to the ref or the doc to make the RIGHT decision.

NOT a boxer who's veins are being pumped full of adrenaline and naturally (as a boxer) has winning fights higher on the heirarchy of personal health.

This is the MAIN reason why they are employed. Boxers can DIE in the ring from a single punch in the wrong place, especially when in vulnerable situations.

They are there to DECREASE the chances of that happening. They did the exact opposite every round they decided to let the fight continue.

If Barerra was slaying Khan or if it was clear Khan would be KO'd in the very near future, I can see why they would let the fight continue since the cut has a lower chance of aggravation since there is less chance of attack towards it from the other party.

However that wasn't the case. The cut was screwing with Barerras gameplan, his rhythm and his sight and he wasn't doing too well because of it (he never touched his back against the ropes till the clash of heads).

It's clear what they should have done and they didn't do it until an un-nervingly coincidential time.

Asking the boxer what they think or assuming that asking the boxer what they think is the right thing to do is just plain foolishness.

Empathy =/= making a man with a bone deep gash and a blind eye who wouldn't quit if you asked him 100 times have to suffer five rounds of unnessecary fighting.