A Spoiled Floyd Mayweather Jr. Hurt Boxing

[Horus]

if anyone has double standards, it's you.. and deep down you know it.
to you Floyd walks on water and has never done an ounce of harm.
many people criticize Hopkins for only fighting smaller fighters now, so I dunno what you talking about..
and for Pacquiao, Hatton is a big challenge considering the size difference.
it wasn't for Mayweather because despite the propoganda you might want to
plaster in different fonts, colors and sizes.. Mayweather WAS and IS a legit welterweight..

and Floyd dug his own hole.. why? because he claimed to be the best welterweight.
if you gonna claim to be something then people EXPECT you to prove it.. he didn't and that is why he got the backlash that he did.

Floyd claimed he was the best ww because he was...

UNDISPUTED LINEAL WW CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

he is still the last person to hold that title since he retired...

So if you just won the championship is it wrong to call yourself a champion???
Floyd was the UNDISPUTED WW champion of the world...

MEANING he was the best ww alive.

THOSE are facts not claims

[Horus]

again, around 2.2 million people payed to watch the fight.. not even half returned.
he couldn't even do big numbers here with ricky hatton who is a hot sell.
and don't say ricky isn't a hot sell.. how many fighters can fill up a giant soccer stadium (City of Manchester Stadium) fighting a guy who no casual fan really knows in Juan Lazcano.

Ricky hatton is a hot sell in the UK....not in the
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Ronaldinho is probably one of the most famous soccer players of all time in Europe but in AMERICA he is a nobody...because soccer is not a mainstream sport.....

Same goes for RICKY Hatton in the UK is the most Popular Boxer alive...
But in AMERICA he is a nobody because he is not AMERICAN and boxing is not a mainstream Sport. Like Football or Baseball or Golf.


IN AMERICA ricky Hatton was NOT A HOT SELL before the FLOYD fight...
People in AMERICA paid to see FLOYD fight a foreigner when he fought against HATTON in 2007.. Just because RICKY HATTON was never truly Expose to the AMERICA people before the floyd fight.

SO you must REALIZE how amazing those Numbers are when the AMERICA people didnt even know who Ricky Hatton was and they still Brought the FLOYD fight..!!!

let me give you some context:


you probably seen this before but here is the ppv context

FUN FACTS TO CONSIDER ABOUT P.P.V's and other fighters...
compare to Floyd..

Floyd vs. Hatton = 850,000 Buys= $47 million in pay-per-view revenue.

The fight was the highest-grossing PPV fight ever that didn't feature a heavyweight or a Oscar De La Hoya.


GOOGLE ANY OF THESE FIGHTS AND ALL THESE NUMBERS WILL BE THE OFFICAL NUMBERS


Pacquaio vs. Big Names

Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
Pacquiao vs. Morales II- 355,000 buys
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. MarquezII 400,000 buys

Roy Jones vs. Big Names

Roy Jones Jr vs. Felix Trinidad 500,000 PPV = $25 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. John Ruiz 602,000 PPV = $26.5 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver II 382,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver III 402,000 PPV

Felix Trinidad vs. Big Names Besides Oscar:

Felix Trinidad vs. Roy Jones 500,000 PPV
Felix Trinidad vs. Winky Wright 510,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Bernard Hopkins 475,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Ricardo Mayorga 420,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Fernando Vargas 560,000 buys

Bernard Hopkins vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar

Bernard Hopkins vs. Felix Trinidad 475,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor II 410,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys

Shane Mosley vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas 420,000 Buys
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys

Miguel Cotto
Miguel Cotto vs. Shane Mosely 340,000 buys
Miguel Cotto vs. Zab Judah 220,000 Buys

THE REAL POINT...

Floyd fighting a Nobody is almost the equivalent to any fight the 3rd Biggest Name in Boxing (Pacquaio) is fighting in and that is with Big Names



Floyd vs. No Name Fighter with no U.S exposure (T.V):

Floyd vs.Carlos Baldomir 325,000 buys = 16.3 Million

"We're very pleased with Mayweather's PPV performance, especially given that Baldomir had little previous exposure in the US," HBO PPV's Mark Taffet said.

Baldomir's only previous U.S. exposure came in his January upset of Judah to win the welterweight title and his July knockout of Gatti in his first defense.

"These numbers are very reflective of the numbers generated by Oscar when he did not have the well-known name challenger in the other corner, which obviously speaks volumes of Floyd's star power," Goossen said.


Oscar vs. No Names with No U.S Exposure (T.V):

M.A. Gonzalez(1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
6 fights in the United States before the fight...

Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
This is after Oscar already had 3 Mega Fights over 925,000 P.P.V buys...
Trinidad, Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley
This also after Oscar already had 4 fights of P.P.V over 550,000 P.P.V buys
Hector Camacho, Ike Quartey, J.C Chavez II, Shane Mosley,

So how do you do only 380,000 after all of that exposure in MEGA FIGHTS...?
And this is Oscar De La Hoya..... So that shows you how much ExposURe in the United States Affect P.P.V sales...

Floyd fighting a Nobody(Baldomir) is almost the equivalent to and better than

Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV


and Floyd fighting a marginal Name Like Judah is bigger than all these fights..


Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Morales/Pacquiao III - 350,000 buys
Morales/Pacquiao II - 355,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys







And Judah is barely a marginal Name...
So Floyd vs. Judah = 375,000 buys So you could say that was all Floyd with a Marginal name fighter is better than 2/5 of the most Highest Selling P.P,V EVER not including a HeavyWeight or Oscar..

And if you Say Judah was superstar before the Mayweather Fight how..??

Because What exactly makes Judah a superstar or a big name? that was his first PPV and he had done nothing before that to prove he was a major draw.

There are only a handful of true superstars in the sport. DLH, Trinidad, Hopkins, Jones. Mayweather , and Pacquiao

Judah is and was nowhere near that level before and After. Would a superstar take $100k to fight Cory Spinks fighting in his own backyard..?





So lets put things into perspective when talking about Floyd...

[MatteoAlderson]

Ricky hatton is a hot sell in the UK....not in the
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Ronaldinho is probably one of the most famous soccer players of all time in Europe but in AMERICA he is a nobody...because soccer is not a mainstream sport.....

Same goes for RICKY Hatton in the UK is the most Popular Boxer alive...
But in AMERICA he is a nobody because he is not AMERICAN and boxing is not a mainstream Sport. Like Football or Baseball or Golf.


IN AMERICA ricky Hatton was NOT A HOT SELL before the FLOYD fight...
People in AMERICA paid to see FLOYD fight a foreigner when he fought against HATTON in 2007.. Just because RICKY HATTON was never truly Expose to the AMERICA people before the floyd fight.

SO you must REALIZE how amazing those Numbers are when the AMERICA people didnt even know who Ricky Hatton was and they still Brought the FLOYD fight..!!!

let me give you some context:


you probably seen this before but here is the ppv context

GOOD STUFF. Do you think Floyd will break a million against PAcman, cotto, or mosley right now?

[JAB5239]

Floyd claimed he was the best ww because he was...

UNDISPUTED LINEAL WW CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

he is still the last person to hold that title since he retired...

So if you just won the championship is it wrong to call yourself a champion???
Floyd was the UNDISPUTED WW champion of the world...

MEANING he was the best ww alive.

THOSE are facts not claims

This is all good and well if your criteria for considering someone "the best" at any weight are belts. My criteria would be fighting the best comp at that weight. Baldomir was a journeyman, and Judah lost to him. Lineal title or not niether were the best to any objective fan.

[El Jesus]

For years some of you in this thread have been whining about the same thing. Thread after thread. For the life of you i dont understand why any of you would put any stock into what a fighter says to stroke his ego or to promote a fight. A fighters perception on reality, for most fighters, is going to be warped, especially for someone who is a prodigy to the sport. Even when they are wrong, they are never going to be wrong in their head. This is why many athletes correct themselves when they are out of their prime, some dont, but what makes me laugh is how much alot of you, and you know who the **** you are claim that you dont care about him, and how much boxing is better off without him, yet its the exact same people going on years now who repeadedly argue the same mundane point. Even I as a fan couldnt possibly go out of my way to discuss this redundant topic as much as some of you do.

Mayweather Jr did what he did in the sport, his reign at welterweight was lackluster, i agree, but at some point some of you are going to have to concede that there is really nothing any of us can do about that at this point. If he comes back and takes big money fights, then thats what he does, if he does this and continues to call himself this great warrior, then thats what he does, but there comes a point when some of you should really give this a rest. The way this sport is today in terms of big money fights, fake retirements, overpriced ppvs etc i really dont blame floyd for this. I sincerely agree with someone else in this thread already said.

If you dont like him dont watch him. If you dont want him around, dont give him any attention that you feel he isnt warranted and you for damn sure shouldnt be pushing every thread with his name on it to a 200plus thread that keeps at least 10 topics with his name on it on the first page.

[Shem]

Step up your reading comprehension.


It doesn't say hes hurting boxing as of now.

It says he hurt boxing when he was active.

Which makes the article kind of redundant....

[deevel79]

This is all good and well if your criteria for considering someone "the best" at any weight are belts. My criteria would be fighting the best comp at that weight. Baldomir was a journeyman, and Judah lost to him. Lineal title or not niether were the best to any objective fan.

Thank you. I've said this over and over again. Some people just put too much emphasis on belts and titles. Its the fighter who makes the title. Not the other way around. Prime example...Baldomir. Now he was the Lineal WW Champ Of The World, but was he really the best? Far from!

[baya]

The thing people need to realize is that NO ONE can take away from Floyd's skills and abilities. Only true haters with no knowledge of the sport do, black, white, hispanic etc.

But like Floyd himself said, boxing is a business. Floyd understands that in order for HIM to sell a fight, he has to work hard OUTSIDE of the ring, he has to be obnoxious, he has to make people hate him, he has to claim that the fight is going to be action packed and a slaughter. But this is the thing, he's not doing this for the business of BOXING, he's doing this for the business of Floyd. Whats good for the business of FLoyd isn't necessarily good for the business of Boxing. Like any other business, you need your consumer base to grow, you need your customer to return and pay for your service.

Boxing does not benefit from Floyd generating so much interests from the casual public in one of his fights when he goes in there and does nothing of what he claimed he was going to do.

This is the same with ANY boxer who overhypes an easy or unattractive fight just to sell tickets and goes in there and doesnt entertain the casual fan, doesnt give the casual fan what they expected, what they were TOLD to expect.

At this point, the casual fan feels like they've been scammed. They paid $50 for a fight with no action. How does that help boxing?

Don't get me wrong, Hopkins recently put on a PPV worthy perfomance (IMO) against Pavlik, but the damage had already been done

You can be a master of your craft AND entertain

JMM does it
Shane Mosley does it
Miguel Cotto does it
Chad Dawson does it

Of course, they aren't draws like DLH or Floyd because these guys dont have it in them to act a fool like Floyd does. They also don't have the luxury of fighting other fighters who are HUGE draws (except for Mosley), but they put on the kind of fights that GENERATES interest in the sport, that CREATES fans and thats what boxing needs.

****en quality.

good **** dude.

[PaiidINFULLent.]

Its a sad day when writards ( as the great Max Kellerman calls them) , especially who never stepped in the ring, want to crucify a man for doing whats best for him & his family.

[Deja_Vous]

I don't think so, what Mayweather should have done was face Cotto after Hatton and things would have been better. You can't jump on him for fighting DLH and Baldy

Arum and Cotto didn't want to fight Floyd.

"I fights who my managements tells me to fights" is all Cotto could muster.


It's not Floyd's fault Cotto didn't want any.