A Spoiled Floyd Mayweather Jr. Hurt Boxing

[Horus]

yes, to you it's all about haters. as if people go to sleep plotting against Mayweather ...

what I do know is this:
almost 2.2 million people in the U.S. payed to watch the DLH v. May fight..
not even half of that returned to watch the next, why?
now tell me, if Floyd would of done what Pacquiao did to Oscar that night
don't you think he would of had America in his pocket? exactly..

2.15 Million AMERICANS brought the DLH vs. Floyd fight in AMERICA

850,000 AMERICANS brought the Hatton vs. Floyd Fight in AMERICA..

The difference is In the DLH vs. Floyd fight 2 AMERICAN superstar fighters were fighting that night in AMERICA...

In the Ricky Hatton vs. Floyd fight 1 SUPERSTAR AMERICAN was fighting a non-american in AMERICA

This tells me that more people in AMERICA knew who DLH and Floyd were.
than

FLOYD VS. Ricky Hatton.


Floyd was the AMERICAN draw in that fight. and Ricky was the British Draw in the fight. That fight prove thatt Floyd AMERICAN APPEAL WAS 850,000 homes in AMERICA...

If you say Ricky was the draw in America

Can you explain to me what the Average AMERICAN casual fan knew about Ricky Hatton before he fought Floyd???

What blockbuster fight was Hatton in AMERICA before the Floyd fight???
What Blockbuster name did Hatton fight that the Casual Fan Knew in AMERICA

But I bet you the casual AMERICAN fan knew that Mayweather was considered the best fighter in the world before the Hatton fight.

I bet you the casual AMERICAN fan knew that Mayweather was on Dancing with the stars. which averages 20 million AMERICAN viewers a week before the Hatton fight.

I bet the Casual AMERICAN fan Knew Mayweather was a trash talker before the Hatton fight...



So if Mayweather was not the Draw for the casual AMERICAN viewers in the hatton vs. PBF fight...

You tell me

WHAT drew the Casual AMERICAN fans to buy 850,000 P.P.V orders at 59.95 a piece???

if you say Hatton please explain....

what did hatton do before floyd in America that got him THe CASUAL AMERICAN VIEWER attention to want to pay 59.95 to watch him fight?

[Sin City]

Learn some facts:

In what WeightClass & Percentage of PBF career will "YOU" judge FLOYD MAYWEATHER???

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250096

MAYWEATHER: WHY HE IS THE BEST EVER AT 130!! Here is the (History)

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227303

The 7 Reason's MAYWEATHER never Lost or Never Will..!!!
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=235602

so what does that have to do with the present or leaving America disappointed when it MATTERED that is when he got a big break.. because let's face it. He was great at 130, but who knew who he was then? Nobody other then die hard boxing fans and don't say that he is too small for the welterweight division.. because he isn't. Many boxers have started at super feather and lightweight and grown into featherweights in the past as well.

[Dan...]

Seriously Horus, do you never tire of this ****?

[Burner]

Mayweather had his night to KO Oscar and he didn't and considering Manny Pacquiao's small size I would say Oscar's condition leveled the playing field out to how Mayweather fought him.

Stop being a ****....The fights were at two diffrent weight classes...

Anyopne with a brain knows that a 147 pound weight drained zombie oscar woudve got stopped by Floyd that night./

[MatteoAlderson]

It is funny how people dont really appreciate Mayweather until he retired and U.S boxing went to ****!!

and now everybody wants him back...people need to start showing some respect and stop being a critic 24 hours a day and 7 days a week.
You must realize (critics) that floyd is not your slave. You just cant demand he do something and when he doesnt do something he is now a piece of ****... It doesnt work that way.

This writer is just another hater plain and simple.
Why isnt he Demanding Kelly Pavlik step up and fight and be a U.S star
Why isnt he demanding Shane Mosley take on Paul Williams So it can be 2 american stars going at it.
Why isnt he asking anything for nobody but mayweather?

He says Floyd doesnt need to save boxing, but he writes a whole different story when the common denominator to all the problems in boxing right now and lack of exposure is floyd fault.

What about Bob Arum Protecting his fighters from Paul Williams?

This guy is nothing but hater plan and simple.

The only person he put accountability on was Floyd Mayweather.
and that right there is the Problem..!!

1:15- ON

I don't hate Floyd Mayweather, but what would happen to other sports if their top stars quit as soon as they arrived to the top. People don't even talk about boxing except for hardcore fans. Tyson brought me into the sport when I was in elementary school and then I really got into it when Foreman fought Holyfield in 91. If there aren't big events how is boxing going to reach out and make new fans. And Floyd was at that point to where his fights were going to be big events and get the casual fans interested in boxing, reading about it on the net, but he retired thinking he was all that when he was damn good, but you can't tell me you think he is up there next to Leonard and he could have been with a couple of more big wins. This isn't just about boxing this is what would also have been best for Floyd. More money, more legacy. BAM

[Sin City]

2.15 Million AMERICANS brought the DLH vs. Floyd fight in AMERICA

850,000 AMERICANS brought the Hatton vs. Floyd Fight in AMERICA..

The difference is In the DLH vs. Floyd fight 2 AMERICAN superstar fighters were fighting that night in AMERICA...

In the Ricky Hatton vs. Floyd fight 1 SUPERSTAR AMERICAN was fighting a non-american in AMERICA

This tells me that more people in AMERICA knew who DLH and Floyd were.
than

FLOYD VS. Ricky Hatton.


Floyd was the AMERICAN draw in that fight. and Ricky was the British Draw in the fight. That fight prove thatt Floyd AMERICAN APPEAL WAS 850,000 homes in AMERICA...

If you say Ricky was the draw in America

Can you explain to me what the Average AMERICAN casual fan knew about Ricky Hatton before he fought Floyd???

What blockbuster fight was Hatton in AMERICA before the Floyd fight???
What Blockbuster name did Hatton fight that the Casual Fan Knew in AMERICA

But I bet you the casual AMERICAN fan knew that Mayweather was considered the best fighter in the world before the Hatton fight.

I bet you the casual AMERICAN fan knew that Mayweather was on Dancing with the stars. which averages 20 million AMERICAN viewers a week before the Hatton fight.

I bet the Casual AMERICAN fan Knew Mayweather was a trash talker before the Hatton fight...



So if Mayweather was not the Draw for the casual AMERICAN viewers in the hatton vs. PBF fight...

You tell me

WHAT drew the Casual AMERICAN fans to buy 850,000 P.P.V orders at 59.95 a piece???

if you say Hatton please explain....

what did hatton do before floyd in America that got him THe CASUAL AMERICAN VIEWER attention to want to pay 59.95 to watch him fight?

again, around 2.2 million people payed to watch the fight.. not even half returned.
he couldn't even do big numbers here with ricky hatton who is a hot sell.
and don't say ricky isn't a hot sell.. how many fighters can fill up a giant soccer stadium (City of Manchester Stadium) fighting a guy who no casual fan really knows in Juan Lazcano.

[Horus]

I don't hate Floyd Mayweather, but what would happen to other sports if their top stars quit as soon as they arrived to the top. People don't even talk about boxing except for hardcore fans. Tyson brought me into the sport when I was in elementary school and then I really got into it when Foreman fought Holyfield in 91. If there aren't big events how is boxing going to reach out and make new fans. And Floyd was at that point to where his fights were going to be big events and get the casual fans interested in boxing, reading about it on the net, but he retired thinking he was all that when he was damn good, but you can't tell me you think he is up there next to Leonard and he could have been with a couple of more big wins. This isn't just about boxing this is what would also have been best for Floyd. More money, more legacy. BAM

BAM?

This is my problem with the critics of Floyd.
you guys hold double standards and dont admit it.

1.You say he is boring but yet you only want him to fight bigger guys?
and
2.when floyd trys to fight somebody his size you guys complain floyd would just dominate and it would be gatti all over again ( which was a exciting fight)

3. You say floyd should only fight top ww... but you dont require no other fighters in any other division to just stay in 1 weight class and fight the whole division regardless of the fight opportunities other weight classes offer. and fight.

I didnt see nobody giving BHOP **** for fighting Pavlik or Winky
I didnt see nobody giving Pacquaio **** for leaving a stack lightweight division and not beating all the top lw's in his division before he fights HATTON..

• I mean how title defenses to pacquaio how in 1 division? since being rated in the top 5 p4p??

• How come you guys are not crying that Pacquaio should be fighting Guzman instead of Hatton?
• How come you guys are not crying that Pacquaio should be fighting Nate Campbell instead of Hatton?
• How come you guys are crying pacquaio should be fighting Ali funki. instead of Hatton?

But you ***** If Floyd fights Hatton over Clottey
But you ***** if Floyd fights Hatton over Berto
But you ***** if Floyd fights Hatton over Margarito

You get my point...double standards and people being hypocrites.
iF YOU dont get my point...
So

[Sin City]

BAM?

This is my problem with the critics of Floyd.
you guys hold double standards and dont admit it.

1.You say he is boring but yet you only want him to fight bigger guys?
and
2.when floyd trys to fight somebody his size you guys complain floyd would just dominate and it would be gatti all over again ( which was a exciting fight)

3. You say floyd should only fight top ww... but you dont require no other fighters in any other division to just stay in 1 weight class and fight the whole division regardless of the fight opportunities other weight classes offer. and fight.

I didnt see nobody giving BHOP **** for fighting Pavlik or Winky
I didnt see nobody giving Pacquaio **** for leaving a stack lightweight division and not beating all the top lw's in his division before he fights HATTON..

• I mean how title defenses to pacquaio how in 1 division? since being rated in the top 5 p4p??

• How come you guys are not crying that Pacquaio should be fighting Guzman instead of Hatton?
• How come you guys are not crying that Pacquaio should be fighting Nate Campbell instead of Hatton?
• How come you guys are crying pacquaio should be fighting Ali funki. instead of Hatton?

But you ***** If Floyd fights Hatton over Clottey
But you ***** if Floyd fights Hatton over Berto
But you ***** if Floyd fights Hatton over Margarito

You get my point...double standards and people being hypocrites.
iF YOU dont get my point...
So

if anyone has double standards, it's you.. and deep down you know it.
to you Floyd walks on water and has never done an ounce of harm.
many people criticize Hopkins for only fighting smaller fighters now, so I dunno what you talking about..
and for Pacquiao, Hatton is a big challenge considering the size difference.
it wasn't for Mayweather because despite the propoganda you might want to
plaster in different fonts, colors and sizes.. Mayweather WAS and IS a legit welterweight..

and Floyd dug his own hole.. why? because he claimed to be the best welterweight.
if you gonna claim to be something then people EXPECT you to prove it.. he didn't and that is why he got the backlash that he did.

[MatteoAlderson]

How can you question Floyd's commercial appeal. De La Hoya Paquiao did less than a million and FLoyd and Oscar broke every record. That was because of Floyd and Oscar and not just Oscar. Pacquioa-Marquez did what 350 or 400. Hatton brings the Brits over here but he's not a hot commodity here. Floyd is mainstream now, he's bigger than anybody in America. Pacquioa-Hatton probably does 600 to 700 buys, Mayweather PAcquioa breaks a million.

[Horus]

again, around 2.2 million people payed to watch the fight.. not even half returned.
he couldn't even do big numbers here with ricky hatton who is a hot sell.
and don't say ricky isn't a hot sell.. how many fighters can fill up a giant soccer stadium (City of Manchester Stadium) fighting a guy who no casual fan really knows in Juan Lazcano.

Ricky hatton is a hot sell in the UK....not in the
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Ronaldinho is probably one of the most famous soccer players of all time in Europe but in AMERICA he is a nobody...because soccer is not a mainstream sport.....

Same goes for RICKY Hatton in the UK is the most Popular Boxer alive...
But in AMERICA he is a nobody because he is not AMERICAN and boxing is not a mainstream Sport. Like Football or Baseball or Golf.


IN AMERICA ricky Hatton was NOT A HOT SELL before the FLOYD fight...
People in AMERICA paid to see FLOYD fight a foreigner when he fought against HATTON in 2007.. Just because RICKY HATTON was never truly Expose to the AMERICA people before the floyd fight.

SO you must REALIZE how amazing those Numbers are when the AMERICA people didnt even know who Ricky Hatton was and they still Brought the FLOYD fight..!!!

let me give you some context:


you probably seen this before but here is the ppv context

FUN FACTS TO CONSIDER ABOUT P.P.V's and other fighters...
compare to Floyd..

Floyd vs. Hatton = 850,000 Buys= $47 million in pay-per-view revenue.

The fight was the highest-grossing PPV fight ever that didn't feature a heavyweight or a Oscar De La Hoya.


GOOGLE ANY OF THESE FIGHTS AND ALL THESE NUMBERS WILL BE THE OFFICAL NUMBERS


Pacquaio vs. Big Names

Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
Pacquiao vs. Morales II- 355,000 buys
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. MarquezII 400,000 buys

Roy Jones vs. Big Names

Roy Jones Jr vs. Felix Trinidad 500,000 PPV = $25 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. John Ruiz 602,000 PPV = $26.5 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver II 382,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver III 402,000 PPV

Felix Trinidad vs. Big Names Besides Oscar:

Felix Trinidad vs. Roy Jones 500,000 PPV
Felix Trinidad vs. Winky Wright 510,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Bernard Hopkins 475,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Ricardo Mayorga 420,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Fernando Vargas 560,000 buys

Bernard Hopkins vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar

Bernard Hopkins vs. Felix Trinidad 475,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor II 410,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys

Shane Mosley vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas 420,000 Buys
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys

Miguel Cotto
Miguel Cotto vs. Shane Mosely 340,000 buys
Miguel Cotto vs. Zab Judah 220,000 Buys

THE REAL POINT...

Floyd fighting a Nobody is almost the equivalent to any fight the 3rd Biggest Name in Boxing (Pacquaio) is fighting in and that is with Big Names



Floyd vs. No Name Fighter with no U.S exposure (T.V):

Floyd vs.Carlos Baldomir 325,000 buys = 16.3 Million

"We're very pleased with Mayweather's PPV performance, especially given that Baldomir had little previous exposure in the US," HBO PPV's Mark Taffet said.

Baldomir's only previous U.S. exposure came in his January upset of Judah to win the welterweight title and his July knockout of Gatti in his first defense.

"These numbers are very reflective of the numbers generated by Oscar when he did not have the well-known name challenger in the other corner, which obviously speaks volumes of Floyd's star power," Goossen said.


Oscar vs. No Names with No U.S Exposure (T.V):

M.A. Gonzalez(1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
6 fights in the United States before the fight...

Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
This is after Oscar already had 3 Mega Fights over 925,000 P.P.V buys...
Trinidad, Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley
This also after Oscar already had 4 fights of P.P.V over 550,000 P.P.V buys
Hector Camacho, Ike Quartey, J.C Chavez II, Shane Mosley,

So how do you do only 380,000 after all of that exposure in MEGA FIGHTS...?
And this is Oscar De La Hoya..... So that shows you how much ExposURe in the United States Affect P.P.V sales...

Floyd fighting a Nobody(Baldomir) is almost the equivalent to and better than

Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV


and Floyd fighting a marginal Name Like Judah is bigger than all these fights..


Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Morales/Pacquiao III - 350,000 buys
Morales/Pacquiao II - 355,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys







And Judah is barely a marginal Name...
So Floyd vs. Judah = 375,000 buys So you could say that was all Floyd with a Marginal name fighter is better than 2/5 of the most Highest Selling P.P,V EVER not including a HeavyWeight or Oscar..

And if you Say Judah was superstar before the Mayweather Fight how..??

Because What exactly makes Judah a superstar or a big name? that was his first PPV and he had done nothing before that to prove he was a major draw.

There are only a handful of true superstars in the sport. DLH, Trinidad, Hopkins, Jones. Mayweather , and Pacquiao

Judah is and was nowhere near that level before and After. Would a superstar take $100k to fight Cory Spinks fighting in his own backyard..?





So lets put things into perspective when talking about Floyd...