Dariusz Michalczewski

[winac]

No its not.

This isn't about who ducked who

[Dirk Diggler UK]

This isn't about who ducked who

I never said it was. The question was why Roy should fight him. I gave the obvious answer. Then the thread starter changed to "well Dariusz didnt want the fight anyway".

[winac]

yea he tends to do that

[IMDAZED]

How am I claiming that diminishes Jones? I said


"They would have fought somewhere between 1997 and 2002. During this time Roy had two great wins on his resume ( Hopkins and Toney) and DM one ( Hill ). Pretty even, no?"

and then someone replied

"Jones' wins over Hopkins and Toney are on par with Dariusz win over Hill?"

and I said

"Note that Hopkins hadn't achieved anywhere near what he has now. So yes"

Say they were to meet in 1998, at that time Hopkins had held a middleweight championship belt for three years. He hadn't achieved anything like what he has now. So I am saying that DM's win over Hill was equal if not better than Jones' win over Hopkins

Fair enough.

[PrettyBoyRoy 88]

Okay so I have my points on why Roy didn't need DM and you have your points on why he should have. Fact of the matter is, to fight an american superstar fighter, you have to come to american soil(Ricky Hatton vs Floyd Mayweather Jr, Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins/Roy Jones, Tszyu vs Judah). D.M. was not rushing for a fight with Roy in the U.S. and Roy Jones was a superstar who did not need Dariusz on his resume. Roy Jones was the more durable fighter of the 2 and even went on to become WBA Heavyweight Champion of the World. Dariusz went on to lose to Jones leftover(Gonzalez) and to an unknown. Jones has loses too but at least to way better fighters than the ones DM lost to. Jones has the better resume, more notable wins, more notable losses. My verdict: Roy Jones will go down in history as an ATG at least Top 30, Dariusz will not. DM was not needed in Jones career for Jones to be regarded as an ATG.

[PrettyBoyRoy 88]

I never said it was. The question was why Roy should fight him. I gave the obvious answer. Then the thread starter changed to "well Dariusz didnt want the fight anyway".

I didn't change the tthread. The thread changed itself. I'm just proving my case. I see nothing being changed. All im saying, from the beggining, is that Roy is good without DM. If it's not obvious to you that my thread question is not really a question, It's like this, Translation of my question: Why did Roy have to fight this bum again? To me that question looks more rhetorical thana nything else. I proved my pont when i started the thread, naming the names, I chose to continue discussing but didn't really have to.

[winac]

Okay so I have my points on why Roy didn't need DM and you have your points on why he should have. Fact of the matter is, to fight an american superstar fighter, you have to come to american soil(Ricky Hatton vs Floyd Mayweather Jr, Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins/Roy Jones, Tszyu vs Judah). D.M. was not rushing for a fight with Roy in the U.S. and Roy Jones was a superstar who did not need Dariusz on his resume. Roy Jones was the more durable fighter of the 2 and even went on to become WBA Heavyweight Champion of the World. Dariusz went on to lose to Jones leftover(Gonzalez) and to an unknown. Jones has loses too but at least to way better fighters than the ones DM lost to. Jones has the better resume, more notable wins, more notable losses. My verdict: Roy Jones will go down in history as an ATG at least Top 30, Dariusz will not. DM was not needed in Jones career for Jones to be regarded as an ATG.

Okay, a lot of what you mention has little to do with what I have said and you are going over old ground. I just think, and I would like to think I am not alone, that a man who once held the Ring belt/WBA/WBO/IBF at one time and was the lineal champ in the Light Heavweight division for years on end would add significantly to Roy Jone's resume.

Also leaving your home country and winning in hostile atmospheres is what champions are made of.

[PrettyBoyRoy 88]

Okay, a lot of what you mention has little to do with what I have said and you are going over old ground. I just think, and I would like to think I am not alone, that a man who once held the Ring belt/WBA/WBO/IBF at one time and was the lineal champ in the Light Heavweight division for years on end would add significantly to Roy Jone's resume.

Also leaving your home country and winning in hostile atmospheres is what champions are made of.

I understand you 100 percent. I knew what you were saying ever since your first post; I just don't agree with Dariusz being a fighter that Jones needed to fight like some people say. Would it really add significantly to Roy's resume? To me, a loss to Roy Jones would have added more to DM's resume than a win would add to Roys resume.

"Also leaving your home country and winning in hostile atmospheres is what champions are made of."

If Dariusz was such a "Champion" and won so many belts and did this and did that ni light heavyweight, then why doesen't the "Champions leaving there homes" line apply to him? Is it because you know it because somehwere deep inside you, you know Roy is this "Champion" that you meant that last sentence for?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I didn't change the tthread. The thread changed itself. I'm just proving my case. I see nothing being changed. All im saying, from the beggining, is that Roy is good without DM. If it's not obvious to you that my thread question is not really a question, It's like this, Translation of my question: Why did Roy have to fight this bum again? To me that question looks more rhetorical thana nything else. I proved my pont when i started the thread, naming the names, I chose to continue discussing but didn't really have to.

It was a rhetorical question because you already knew which side you were gonna take no matter what. Unwilling to accept the opinions of others. So what was the actual point of this thread?

You proved nothing really. They still shouldve fought regardless of their respective resumes

[winac]

I understand you 100 percent. I knew what you were saying ever since your first post; I just don't agree with Dariusz being a fighter that Jones needed to fight like some people say. Would it really add significantly to Roy's resume? To me, a loss to Roy Jones would have added more to DM's resume than a win would add to Roys resume.

"Also leaving your home country and winning in hostile atmospheres is what champions are made of."

If Dariusz was such a "Champion" and won so many belts and did this and did that ni light heavyweight, then why doesen't the "Champions leaving there homes" line apply to him? Is it because you know it because somehwere deep inside you, you know Roy is this "Champion" that you meant that last sentence for?

Defeating Roy would have done more for DM than a DM win would have done for Jones. However I was never argueing this point nor have I been argueing who has the greater legacy.

Lastly the remark I made about champions leaving their home country was not a dig at Roy merely a response to your claim that you have to come to America to fight American fighters. I'm fully aware DM did not leave Europe and Jones didn't leave the US, but fighting abroad shows the character of a true champion, especially if they win.