Dariusz Michalczewski

[IMDAZED]

Note that Hopkins hadn't achieved anywhere near what he has now. So yes

That doesn't make sense. Jones beat Hopkins who went on to do greater things. And that somehow...diminishes Jones' win?

[winac]

That doesn't make sense. Jones beat Hopkins who went on to do greater things. And that somehow...diminishes Jones' win?

How am I claiming that diminishes Jones? I said


"They would have fought somewhere between 1997 and 2002. During this time Roy had two great wins on his resume ( Hopkins and Toney) and DM one ( Hill ). Pretty even, no?"

and then someone replied

"Jones' wins over Hopkins and Toney are on par with Dariusz win over Hill?"

and I said

"Note that Hopkins hadn't achieved anywhere near what he has now. So yes"

Say they were to meet in 1998, at that time Hopkins had held a middleweight championship belt for three years. He hadn't achieved anything like what he has now. So I am saying that DM's win over Hill was equal if not better than Jones' win over Hopkins

[PrettyBoyRoy 88]

Note that Hopkins hadn't achieved anywhere near what he has now. So yes

Jones and Hopkins had the same amount of Pro fights at the time they fought;Same Pro experience. Jones(21-0) Hopkins(22-1). Hopkins had 2 more pro bouts than Jones and was of course 4 years older which has nothing to do. Still, Hopkins hadn't accomplished what he has done now? Hey guess what? Jones neither sonny boy. They were both green. No excuses.

[Fulcrum29]

Jones and Hopkins had the same amount of Pro fights at the time they fought;Same Pro experience. Jones(21-0) Hopkins(22-1). Hopkins had 2 more pro bouts than Jones and was of course 4 years older which has nothing to do. Still, Hopkins hadn't accomplished what he has done now? Hey guess what? Jones neither sonny boy. They were both green. No excuses.

same amount of PRO experience but not same amount of EXPERIENCE. Jones was boxing and going off to the olympics from like age 5 or whatever. Hopkins didn't get serious about boxing til prison in his 20's. Big difference there wise guy.

[winac]

Jones and Hopkins had the same amount of Pro fights at the time they fought;Same Pro experience. Jones(21-0) Hopkins(22-1). Hopkins had 2 more pro bouts than Jones and was of course 4 years older which has nothing to do. Still, Hopkins hadn't accomplished what he has done now? Hey guess what? Jones neither sonny boy. They were both green. No excuses.

I'm not discrediting the win. I haven't mentioned anything about a lack of experiece. The win means more now than it did back then though because no one knew what Hopkins was going to achieve. Therefore, as I said before, the Hill win was on a par with the Hopkins win, if not better. It is only now since the 2000s that the Hopkins win means more

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Jones should've fought him cos they were the two best light heavyweights for years. What a ****** question.

[PrettyBoyRoy 88]

I'm not discrediting the win. I haven't mentioned anything about a lack of experiece. The win means more now than it did back then though because no one knew what Hopkins was going to achieve. Therefore, as I said before, the Hill win was on a par with the Hopkins win, if not better. It is only now since the 2000s that the Hopkins win means more

You said the Toney and Hopkins wins are even with the DMs win over Hill, now you say the Hopkins win is equal to the Virgil Hill; that's much better. Either way, Jones TKOd Hill in 4 rounds whereas Dariusz UD'd Virgil Hill and don't say Hill was shot when Jones fought him because Jones fought him only 10 months later..

[PrettyBoyRoy 88]

Jones should've fought him cos they were the two best light heavyweights for years. What a ****** question.

Okay. It wasn't Jones fault that DM didn't want to come to american soil with his padded record. For the record, DM never even called Jones out. That's an actual fact.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Okay. It wasn't Jones fault that DM didn't want to come to american soil with his padded record. For the record, DM never even called Jones out. That's an actual fact.

No its not.

[winac]

You said the Toney and Hopkins wins are even with the DMs win over Hill, now you say the Hopkins win is equal to the Virgil Hill; that's much better. Either way, Jones TKOd Hill in 4 rounds whereas Dariusz UD'd Virgil Hill and don't say Hill was shot when Jones fought him because Jones fought him only 10 months later..

No I didn't, I said that at the time they would have fought Jones would have had two great wins and DM one "pretty even, no?". That doesn't imply that Dm's one win was greater than Roy's two. It simply suggests that there is not a massive difference in the number of wins each had. It's not like Jones had 3. 4 or even 5 and DM 1. It was 2 to 1, pretty even, no?