Dariusz Michalczewski

[winac]

they both wanted the other to come to them
it's funny how we say jones ducked dariusz, but i did'nt see dariusz going out of his way to make the fight, jones was the p4p #1, if dariusz wanted to prove a point, why not go to jones?

No one is argueing who ducked who. They should have fought, when it comes down to it Dariusz won the WBA/IBF and WBO titles all before Roy Jones. However he was forced to vacate the WBA and IBF titles after beating Virgil Hill. So basically Dariusz arguably had a bigger claim to being the top dog in the division since he once held the WBO/WBA/IBF/ belts all before Jones.

[winac]

You're clowning yourself man. Drop it. You make no sense, you're basically belittling DM's Rresume because without Griffin, Hill, Hall..Jones' resume still eats up DM's. If Griffin wasn;t spectacular and Hill was "Dm's seconds" it wouldn't matter. Jones still fought more names and more competition than Dariusz. Dariusz needed** RJ, Rj didn't need him. It's as simple as that.

At no point have I said that DM has a better resume than Roy Jones. The thread was addressing why Roy should have to fight DM and I have been putting forward my case as to why I think he should have. Virgil Hill came up because you said, with respect to DM, "his best wins are against fighters Roy wiped the floor with". I was just saying that DM's win over Hill was far more impressive than Roy's win over Virgil and therefore the "his best wins are against fighters Roy wiped the floor with" quote doesn't stand firm.

[PrettyBoyRoy 88]

At no point have I said that DM has a better resume than Roy Jones. The thread was addressing why Roy should have to fight DM and I have been putting forward my case as to why I think he should have. Virgil Hill came up because you said, with respect to DM, "his best wins are against fighters Roy wiped the floor with". I was just saying that DM's win over Hill was far more impressive than Roy's win over Virgil and therefore the "his best wins are against fighters Roy wiped the floor with" quote doesn't stand firm.

Okay so Roy Jones should have fight Dariusz M because...D.M. beat V Hill more convincingly? or DM was the P4P number 1? Dariusz was not worth it. A Prime Roy Jones beating DM does nothing to the already great resume and legacy that Jones has. Every great fighter has that other fighter that they "should have fought" Since Roy Jones fought everyone, Haters got a bum with a padded record from overseas with only 3 or 4 opponents worth mentioning so they can use him against RJJ.

[winac]

Re-read this post I made

"No one is argueing who ducked who. They should have fought, when it comes down to it Dariusz won the WBA/IBF and WBO titles all before Roy Jones. However he was forced to vacate the WBA and IBF titles after beating Virgil Hill. So basically Dariusz arguably had a bigger claim to being the top dog in the division since he once held the WBO/WBA/IBF/Ring Magazine belts all before Jones."

Is this not a reason why Jones should have fought him?

I did not say DM win over Hill was more convincing, I said it was great whereas Roy's wasn't simply because Hill was coming off a loss against DM.

They would have fought somewhere between 1997 and 2002. During this time Roy had two great wins on his resume ( Hopkins and Toney) and DM one ( Hill ). Pretty even, no?

[PrettyBoyRoy 88]

Re-read this post I made

"No one is argueing who ducked who. They should have fought, when it comes down to it Dariusz won the WBA/IBF and WBO titles all before Roy Jones. However he was forced to vacate the WBA and IBF titles after beating Virgil Hill. So basically Dariusz arguably had a bigger claim to being the top dog in the division since he once held the WBO/WBA/IBF/Ring Magazine belts all before Jones."

Is this not a reason why Jones should have fought him?

I did not say DM win over Hill was more convincing, I said it was great whereas Roy's wasn't simply because Hill was coming off a loss against DM.

They would have fought somewhere between 1997 and 2002. During this time Roy had two great wins on his resume ( Hopkins and Toney) and DM one ( Hill ). Pretty even, no?

Jones' wins over Hopkins and Toney are on par with Dariusz win over Hill?

[Fulcrum29]

Dariusz ducked Jones. How's that for a reversal? Two can play that game.

[SHB]

They should have fought, and it's the fault of both of them why it didn't happen - as is usually the way.

[winac]

Dariusz ducked Jones. How's that for a reversal? Two can play that game.

no one is saying anyone ducked anyone

[IMDAZED]

Dariusz M. looked like a serious threat between 98-99 but the more Jones leftovers he fought, the less it looked like he could compete with a man. He shouldn't have struggled with Hall two times the way he did. Derrick Harmon gave him problems as well. But what really sticks out in my mind was that acting job against Graciano Rochigianni a bout he looked like he probably was going to lose. Still, he amassed quite a solid dossier in his time.

[winac]

Jones' wins over Hopkins and Toney are on par with Dariusz win over Hill?

Note that Hopkins hadn't achieved anywhere near what he has now. So yes