Bernard got his get back!!!!!!

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I'm a fan of Hopkins, but you're getting things out of proportion.

He has every right at 44 to cherry pick fights he thinks he can still win, but that's what he's doing in fighting Adamek rather than Dawson. Dawson schooled Adamek, who is a limited fighter. It would be a good achievement to win a lineal title in another weight class, but it won't enhance his ATG status.

Hopkins isn't "cherry picking" anything by fighting Adamek. Adamek is a naturally bigger, stronger, younger guy, and the reigning Champion in a division Hopkins has never once set foot in. Sure, Hopkins is clearly more skilled.

But at 44 years of age, I think that's pretty damn impressive.

I'd love for Bernard to whip "Bad" Chad's ass, because I know he would. Dawson may be looked upon as the man at 175, but I don't see how. He got his ass spanked by a guy Bernard TKO'd 10 years ago - while he was in his prime - in Glenn Johnson.

Most people had Dawson losing that fight, and until 'Bad" Chad gives Glenn the rematch he so rightfully deserves, I don't think he's entitled to **** at 175.

And you wanna talk about cherry picking? WTF about Dawson rematching Tarver? Didn't he clearly kick his ass enough the first time out? Why fight B-Hop's leftovers for a second time, instead of rematching the guy most people want to see you fight in Johnson?

And I'm pretty sure winning the Cruiserweight title from the man at Cruiserweight at 44 years of age does indeed add to Hopkins' legacy.

It's certainly as good as Roy cherry picking John Ruiz (the weakest title holder at Heavyweight).....and we all know how much praise Roy got for that.

And I'm not even going to get into your other "arguments" about Calzaghe not being an ATG (he clearly is, though somewhere around 75, based on lack of stiff competition), Wright was blown up, but your excuse making for Tarver is almost as bad as Antonio's himself. Why didn't you just claim he was poisoned while you were at it?

[Chr0nic]

55498If you ask me BHOP got his get back with Roy Jones. Without even fighting Roy again. Simply by out lasting him and fighting all the tops and winning....at a older age while looking good doing it. I like RJJr a lot as a boxer. He was one of the greats and in no way is this ANY hate on Roy. But many say they would like to see A Hopkins Jones Rematch! Forget about it...Hopkins has proved himself way over Roy and it would not be good for Roy to make that fight at this point in his career. What do you think?

hopkins fought the small guys and made them come upto him, jones went up and up and took down the big guys

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I SAID that NOTHING is wrong with it - didn't you read my post?

But it won't enhance his ATG status because Dawon would be a much bigger test than Adamek.

I'm just curious as to how being a 3 division Champion isn't an enhancement to being a 2 divison Champion?

Unless of course you think beating World Champions, and having multiple titles in multiple divisions doesn't enhance ATG status.

If that's the case, we better take Floyd, Roy, and others like them off the lists.

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hopkins fought the small guys and made them come upto him, jones went up and up and took down the big guys

Trinidad was equal in size (minus a small height difference), and a Champion at 160lbs. Tito knocked out William Joppy, a damn good career Middleweight in his own right, something Hopkins himself tried his damndest to do and failed. (Hopkins had a 100K bet with Joppy that he wouldn't make it the full 12 rounds with Hopkins, B-Hop lost, and paid William his 100K.)

Oscar and Winky I'll give you. Oscar had no business at 160, and Wink had no business above 154lbs. Maybe 160, but that's it.

Pavlik was equal in size to Bernard. Their height and physical stats were almost identical. And the fight was at 170, not 175. 170, just 4lbs north of the 166 catchweight where Kelly beat Jermain Taylor in the rematch. So there was no size difference to be had there. Hopkins was just the better man.

Tarver was bigger than Hopkins.

Calzaghe was roughly the same size, and needed to move up to 175lbs anyway.

And everybody else on B-Hop's record are MIddleweight title defenses against career Middleweights.

I'm sick of this myth that Hopkins only fought smaller men. Here he is, yet again, going up in weight to take on a bigger man, and people want to **** on him for it. (Not saying you, I'm talking about others I've seen.)

And Roy's competition wasn't much better in his prime, either. Roy fought an awful lot of "part timers" in his day.

That said, he did face Toney and Hopkins, and got the W's, which is why he ranks so highly on my list.

[Chr0nic]

Trinidad was equal in size (minus a small height difference), and a Champion at 160lbs. Tito knocked out William Joppy, a damn good career Middleweight in his own right, something Hopkins himself tried his damndest to do and failed. (Hopkins had a 100K bet with Joppy that he wouldn't make it the full 12 rounds with Hopkins, B-Hop lost, and paid William his 100K.)

Oscar and Winky I'll give you. Oscar had no business at 160, and Wink had no business above 154lbs. Maybe 160, but that's it.

Pavlik was equal in size to Bernard. Their height and physical stats were almost identical. And the fight was at 170, not 175. 170, just 4lbs north of the 166 catchweight where Kelly beat Jermain Taylor in the rematch. So there was no size difference to be had there. Hopkins was just the better man.

Tarver was bigger than Hopkins.

Calzaghe was roughly the same size, and needed to move up to 175lbs anyway.

And everybody else on B-Hop's record are MIddleweight title defenses against career Middleweights.

I'm sick of this myth that Hopkins only fought smaller men. Here he is, yet again, going up in weight to take on a bigger man, and people want to **** on him for it. (Not saying you, I'm talking about others I've seen.)

And Roy's competition wasn't much better in his prime, either. Roy fought an awful lot of "part timers" in his day.

That said, he did face Toney and Hopkins, and got the W's, which is why he ranks so highly on my list.

he had those guys come up, did he beat them at thier best though?

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he had those guys come up, did he beat them at thier best though?

He didn't have anybody come up. They wanted to come up. Hopkins wasn't this big star, who everybody was just lining up to fight.

Tito moved up to further his legacy, and because, honestly, most people thought he's destroy Hopkins and end his reign.

Oscar moved up because, I'm assuming, he thought he could "best" the man who destroyed Trinidad. Essentially making Oscar even with Tito for the horrible judging in their fight.

Hopkins himself moved up for Tarver.

Calzaghe wanted to move up, because he'd long been wanting to fight Hopkins. Jumping from 168 to 175 isn't even that big a jump, especially not for a fighter of Joe's caliber.

I'm not sure why Winky decided to move up. My guess is that Hopkins was the only name on the table who wanted a fight with him.

The Pavlik fight was a ****** move on Kelly's part. Everybody and their mother thought Hopkins was shot, and that this one dimensional slugger was going to knock him on his ass and end his career.

So I can say that 4 of the 6 mentioned, wanted to move up to face Bernard, for one reason, or another. Be it legacy (Tito, Oscar), money (Kelly), or respect (Calzaghe).

One of them (Wright), I don't think anybody knows why he wanted it.

And the final one (Tarver), isn't even in the discussion, because it was Bernard who moved up to face him. Not vice versa.

And what does "did he beat them at their best" mean? "Best" is a subjective term, I'm debating facts, not opinions.

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He didn't have anybody come up. They wanted to come up. Hopkins wasn't this big star, who everybody was just lining up to fight.

Tito moved up to further his legacy, and because, honestly, most people thought he's destroy Hopkins and end his reign.

Oscar moved up because, I'm assuming, he thought he could "best" the man who destroyed Trinidad. Essentially making Oscar even with Tito for the horrible judging in their fight.

Hopkins himself moved up for Tarver.

Calzaghe wanted to move up, because he'd long been wanting to fight Hopkins. Jumping from 168 to 175 isn't even that big a jump, especially not for a fighter of Joe's caliber.

I'm not sure why Winky decided to move up. My guess is that Hopkins was the only name on the table who wanted a fight with him.

The Pavlik fight was a ****** move on Kelly's part. Everybody and their mother thought Hopkins was shot, and that this one dimensional slugger was going to knock him on his ass and end his career.

So I can say that 4 of the 6 mentioned, wanted to move up to face Bernard, for one reason, or another. Be it legacy (Tito, Oscar), money (Kelly), or respect (Calzaghe).

One of them (Wright), I don't think anybody knows why he wanted it.

And the final one (Tarver), isn't even in the discussion, because it was Bernard who moved up to face him. Not vice versa.

And what does "did he beat them at their best" mean? "Best" is a subjective term, I'm debating facts, not opinions.

honestly i dont think it woulda made a differrence even if hopkins fought them in thier comfort zone, he still woulda won
when do you consider hopkins to have been at his peak? after he lost to taylor? or when he ko'd johnson?
this is just somethin im curious of, you dont gotta answer

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honestly i dont think it woulda made a differrence even if hopkins fought them in thier comfort zone, he still woulda won
when do you consider hopkins to have been at his peak? after he lost to taylor? or when he ko'd johnson?
this is just somethin im curious of, you dont gotta answer

For fighter's like Hopkins (or even Glenn Johnson), it's hard to pinpoint a "peak" or "prime". As guys like them seem to be ageles wonders. Especially in today's boxing world, with guys like Mosley and Marquez in their mid 30's still pulling off dramatic knockout victories against tough opposition.

For Hopkins, I go with what the man himself and his former head trainer Bouie Fisher said : 2001-2004. I'll take their word for it.

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Trinidad was equal in size (minus a small height difference), and a Champion at 160lbs. Tito knocked out William Joppy, a damn good career Middleweight in his own right, something Hopkins himself tried his damndest to do and failed. (Hopkins had a 100K bet with Joppy that he wouldn't make it the full 12 rounds with Hopkins, B-Hop lost, and paid William his 100K.)

Oscar and Winky I'll give you. Oscar had no business at 160, and Wink had no business above 154lbs. Maybe 160, but that's it.

Pavlik was equal in size to Bernard. Their height and physical stats were almost identical. And the fight was at 170, not 175. 170, just 4lbs north of the 166 catchweight where Kelly beat Jermain Taylor in the rematch. So there was no size difference to be had there. Hopkins was just the better man.

Tarver was bigger than Hopkins.

Calzaghe was roughly the same size, and needed to move up to 175lbs anyway.

And everybody else on B-Hop's record are MIddleweight title defenses against career Middleweights.

I'm sick of this myth that Hopkins only fought smaller men. Here he is, yet again, going up in weight to take on a bigger man, and people want to **** on him for it. (Not saying you, I'm talking about others I've seen.)

And Roy's competition wasn't much better in his prime, either. Roy fought an awful lot of "part timers" in his day.

That said, he did face Toney and Hopkins, and got the W's, which is why he ranks so highly on my list.

excellent post .....I'm sick of the myth also!

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hopkins fought the small guys and made them come upto him, jones went up and up and took down the big guys

What do you think Hokins is doing.........At 44 years old...