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  • BOSSHOGG
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    #21
    Originally posted by Dave Rado
    I'm a fan of Hopkins, but you're getting things out of proportion.

    He has every right at 44 to cherry pick fights he thinks he can still win, but that's what he's doing in fighting Adamek rather than Dawson. Dawson schooled Adamek, who is a limited fighter. It would be a good achievement to win a lineal title in another weight class, but it won't enhance his ATG status. Beating Dawson would, but he doesn't want to fight Dawson, presumably because at his age, he doesn't think he can cope with very fast fighters like Dawson any more - which is fair enough; but because of that, fighting Adamek won't enhance his ATG status.

    His win over Pavlik was a great win, and does enhance his status, but Pavlik's style was made for him, plus Hopkins himself has said that Pavlik was fighting above his best weight.

    Winky was fighting well above his best weight class and looked flabby, yet was still competitive. That was a good win but not a great one.

    Everyone keeps saying Calzaghe isn't an ATG, and they're probably right, but if they are, then losing to him, however close it was, certainly doesn't enhance his ATG status.

    Tarver had ballooned in weight for a film just before the fight with Hopkins and looked lack-lustre in their fight; and hasn't looked good again in his subsequent fights. A good win, but not nearly as good in reality as it looks on paper.

    And as I pointed out in my previous post, ATG status isn't based primarily on how well a fighter ages. Hopkins has aged far better than most fighters ever have, but Archie Moore aged at least as well, and Moore isn't ranked nearly as high in the ATG lists as many fighters who didn't age well, like Ali, Hagler and Armstrong.
    44 years old The Man can Cherry pick all he wants...Whats wrong with it? And At 44 taking on the best in a division reguardless of what you think or anyone thinks is how champions are made...Hopkins goes after the best and in that division thats Adamek,

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    • Abstraction
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      #22
      I pretty much agree.

      There really should have been a rematch between these two. There was 15 years where the potential for one was there, but Roy Jones was always the one who would drop out and make excuses.

      Their first bout meant v very little imo. They were both very very green.

      should have been one around 2001

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      • BOSSHOGG
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        #23
        Originally posted by minion
        I pretty much agree.

        There really should have been a rematch between these two. There was 15 years where the potential for one was there, but Roy Jones was always the one who would drop out and make excuses.

        Their first bout meant v very little imo. They were both very very green.

        should have been one around 2001
        Agreeeeeeed

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        • Johnnybur
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          #24
          Originally posted by minion
          I pretty much agree.

          There really should have been a rematch between these two. There was 15 years where the potential for one was there, but Roy Jones was always the one who would drop out and make excuses.

          Their first bout meant v very little imo. They were both very very green.

          should have been one around 2001
          I wouldnt say it meant very little, it was for the IBF Middleweight Belt and back then that was the one belt that really meant something

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          • Dave Rado
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            #25
            Originally posted by BOSSHOGG
            44 years old The Man can Cherry pick all he wants...Whats wrong with it? And At 44 taking on the best in a division reguardless of what you think or anyone thinks is how champions are made...Hopkins goes after the best and in that division thats Adamek,
            I SAID that NOTHING is wrong with it - didn't you read my post?

            But it won't enhance his ATG status because Dawon would be a much bigger test than Adamek.

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            • Dave Rado
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              #26
              Originally posted by minion
              I pretty much agree.

              There really should have been a rematch between these two. There was 15 years where the potential for one was there, but Roy Jones was always the one who would drop out and make excuses.

              Their first bout meant v very little imo. They were both very very green.

              should have been one around 2001
              Hopkins turned down $6 million to fight Jones in 2001. Maybe because of his bad blood with King rather than for any other reason, but the fact remains, he was offered it and turned it down.

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              • BOSSHOGG
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                #27
                Originally posted by Dave Rado
                I SAID that NOTHING is wrong with it - didn't you read my post?

                But it won't enhance his ATG status because Dawon would be a much bigger test than Adamek.
                lol thats why i said whats wrong with it..No disrespect!! Just going to cruiserweight is more comfortable...At 44 the weight issue is a factor at that age. Even to move up...because he did get bigger...Is an acomplishment to take on the best in that division. Why go and fight the best in a division if you cant put your body where it needs to be.?

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                • PACBOY
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                  #28
                  Hopkins is doing great. Legacy means a lot to this man and that's something HARD to find in fighters of today

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                  • MARKBNLV
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                    #29
                    I thought bernard beat taylor in both of those fights and he beat calzaghe he will go down to me as the best fighter of my lifetime

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                    • Mr. Philadel
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by sickwitit
                      55498If you ask me BHOP got his get back with Roy Jones. Without even fighting Roy again. Simply by out lasting him and fighting all the tops and winning....at a older age while looking good doing it. I like RJJr a lot as a boxer. He was one of the greats and in no way is this ANY hate on Roy. But many say they would like to see A Hopkins Jones Rematch! Forget about it...Hopkins has proved himself way over Roy and it would not be good for Roy to make that fight at this point in his career. What do you think?
                      on point like Chris Paul

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