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  • #41
    Originally posted by Chase8400 View Post
    I agree about Vitali, but history is what it is. He was injured and needed the time to recover. We, as fans moved on and opened up a new chapter when he returned.

    As far as Adamek, he was basically an unknown like Zoldt Erdei is until he lost to Chad Dawson and moved up to beat Cunningham. He is not really a big deal outside the Chicago area and will get more publicity just being mentioned by Hopkins than he has earned so far. Thats about it. He will lose that fight by the way. In Pavlik-Bhop fashion too. Hopkins knows how to pick em' aparently. He wants no part of Dawson.
    Adamek is extremly popular on the East Coast- that's where he fights and sells out the arena, so its not just Chicago. Almost everyone I know who like boxing in South Florida likes Adamek as well. So I;m goin gto disagree with you.

    My prediction for Adamek v Hopkins is a little different than yours, although I believe that BHOP wins. First off, I have been very vocal about Hopkins dodging Dawson just like JoCal did. BHop will not be able to take those chances against Adamek, who is a MUCH more versatile boxer than Kelly. Cummingham is a good strong boxer from Philly and Adamek showed skills in that fight. He adjusts well in the ring as shown in the Banks fight when he started to figure out how to get to his body. I think BHOP wins a close VERY boring decision in a stinker. Adamek also has much better timing than Pavlik.

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    • #42
      Lewis, Ali and Holmes were not exciting brawlers, but they were blessed with a smooth, fluid style. The Klitschkos' are not blessed with that. Saying that is in any way racist is a bit like saying someone who says black people can generally dance better than white people are racist. It's just one of those things. A robotic style doesn't really look very good. It's ok if the fight is exciting, sure. But in a technical fight it's not as easy on the eyes like a Holmes, Lewis and Ali were.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by paul750 View Post
        Lewis, Ali and Holmes were not exciting brawlers, but they were blessed with a smooth, fluid style. The Klitschkos' are not blessed with that. Saying that is in any way racist is a bit like saying someone who says black people can generally dance better than white people are racist. It's just one of those things. A robotic style doesn't really look very good. It's ok if the fight is exciting, sure. But in a technical fight it's not as easy on the eyes like a Holmes, Lewis and Ali were.
        I prefer to watch the Klitschkos fight! I enjoy their technical skill, accurate punching and brutal KOs.

        Watching all of Ali's, Lewis' (except for the Vitali fight) and Holmes' fights (except the Norton fight) puts me to sleep.

        Saying white fighters are not as entertaining to watch is racist, it's like saying black people are not as intelligent. It's claiming one race is superior in some way to another.
        Last edited by The Hammer; 03-18-2009, 01:33 PM.

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        • #44
          I cant believe the fight is on ESPN

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Marciano 49-0 View Post
            Saying white fighters are not as entertaining to watch is racist, it's like saying black people are not as intelligent. It's claiming one race is superior in some way to another.
            I didn't say that though. I stated that black fighers tend to be more fluid, and that it is easier on the eyes for most people. For that reason, I'd rather watch a black technical fighter than a white one, because if nothing else, it's easier on the eye. But an exciting fight is an exciting fight, just as Klitschko vs Lewis was.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by ~Ironfist View Post
              Whats wrong with the heavyweight division is not that the Klitschko brothers won't fight each other, that's BS. Vitali wasn't around from 2005 to 2008, and still the sportswriters complained.

              The real problem is that the American sports media will not accept anyone named Klitschko as champion, and will continue being negative about (and usually ignoring) the heavyweight division until a black and preferably an American champion comes along.
              BS, Vitali Klit was ready to BE accepted as champion after Lennox Lewis. He then retired, Wlad will be accepted IF he unify's but he still won't be watched in America because he's boring (statement of fact)

              Boring fighters get watched LESS than exciting ones UNLESS they are matched up against exciting or hugely popular fighters (see ODLH) Marciano was accepted at the time, Dempsey was hugely celebrated in his time drawing the first million dollar gate, two of the greatest HW's of all time were WHITE. Gene Tunney was less accepted but no less celebrated, he wasn't huge in his time because he brought down the great Jack Dempsey and was less exciting. Same with Larry Holmes only in retrospective are they seen as great.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by Mike Tyson77 View Post
                I cant believe the fight is on ESPN
                at 5 though! I have to work. TIVO time!

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by Marciano 49-0 View Post
                  Watching all of Ali's, Lewis' (except for the Vitali fight) and Holmes' fights (except the Norton fight) puts me to sleep.
                  Seriously? What the hell?

                  Ali-Frazier 1,2 and 3
                  Ali-Norton I
                  Ali-Foreman

                  Lewis-Bruno
                  Lewis-Mercer

                  Holmes-Shavers

                  All exciting as hell wars, no boxing fan would fall asleep to those. Thats ******ed. It just shows me how much of a white supremacist you are.

                  Before you come back with I love black fighters etc. Take into account i'm Indonesian. I love Marciano-Walcott, Dempsey-Willard etc.

                  Calzaghe, Hatton, Abraham, Darchiniyan, Bute, Adamek, Vitali all gained my respect and most of there fights are exciting to me.

                  I love Black, Asian, White, Mexican, PR fighters.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Ryn0 View Post
                    Marciano was accepted at the time, Dempsey was hugely celebrated in his time drawing the first million dollar gate, two of the greatest HW's of all time were WHITE. Gene Tunney was less accepted but no less celebrated, he wasn't huge in his time because he brought down the great Jack Dempsey and was less exciting. Same with Larry Holmes only in retrospective are they seen as great.
                    Much has changed since the days of Dempsey, Tunney and Marciano. In those days, the heavyweight champion was a household name, and looked up to by everyone, regardless of the color of his skin. But nowadays, sportswriters like Rosenthal (look at his article today at www.thering-online.com ) and Raskin, and boxing commentators/analysts like Atlas and Kellerman will never have anything positive to say about a white heavyweight champion. By constantly discrediting the positive and exaggerating anything negative, they help to create an unfairly negative public image of the Klitschkos.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Ryn0 View Post
                      BS, Vitali Klit was ready to BE accepted as champion after Lennox Lewis. He then retired, Wlad will be accepted IF he unify's but he still won't be watched in America because he's boring (statement of fact)
                      Right there I stopped reading.....

                      Some people on here have a real hard time interpreting fact from perception.

                      I do NOT find Wladimir to be boring. He is a little cautious when he is clearly the better fighter, but there are reasons for that. If you had watched his fights prior to the Sanders loss, you will understand that he was an offensive beast and was nowhere close to boring. After taking a few thumps that he wasn't supposed to take, he regrouped and changed his game so that he insures a victory and so far, that's exactly what he has done. Only great fighters have the ability to adapt as Wladimir has. He's on a 10-0 run and 8 of those were or at some point became top 10 threats.

                      Do you want to give the fans what they want and lose or do you be smart and win? That's the question you have to ask yourself if you were in the very unique position that Wladimir is in. The heavyweight title can make and break a man with ease and it's a very small space between the ropes in heavyweight boxing. There is over 100 years of tradition to honor.

                      -Chase.

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