Mayweather Jr. vs. JCC***(Prime for Prime)))

[Steak]

Whitaker had enough power to get his respect( who was never a knockout threat), i seen him stun Chavez on a few occasions and he also floored him which wasn't a flash knockdown. And about Mayweather's power, Floyd's knockout ratio at that weight was the ratio of a puncher. He didn't have that kind of one punch power, although he did stop the majority of the champions that he beat from accumulation. Hernandez, Chavez, Gatti( who i am not comparing to Chavez, just showing an example of Floyd's power in those lower weight divisions) all had granite chins. If Floyd couldn't punch, i don't think they would have been as hesitant about coming in as they were. Floyd's punchers were very precise and it was dangerous because of his hand speed, a lot fighters cannot cope with that combination.

Chavez's chin puts Gatti's and JesChavez's to shame, and theres no way he would get hit with what they did with his head movement. Whitaker never floored Chavez, and I dont think chavez was actually ever stunned by Whitaker, more just a combination of 'oof, flush shot' and him being exhausted.

Mayweather never used a consistent jab, his lead right hand and leaping left hook was fast enough to work just as good as a jab. His reflexes and foot movement were so good that he could get away with it and not be countered by anything. And Mayweather wouldn't need a southpaw stance, if he boxes while putting enough snap on his shots, then the only thing he would need is simple movement( just as Whitaker needed) and to stay off the ropes, and that was basically what Mayweather always did.

Chavez was very good at ducking under hooks and pushing aside right hands while all the time moving foward, if there was a punch that bothered him it was multiple good jabs. I dont think Mayweather's left hooks or right hands would be able to land often, and when Mayweather missed Chavez would have quickly closed the distance with a lead left or right hand.

You didn't answer my question but as for yours, Castillio was much bigger, bulkier and overall naturally bigger than both Chavez and Mayweather( which i have stated above) and that has more to do with it then you think. A guy who is actually Floyd's size wouldn't be able to push him back like that. You could see the size difference. Also, Chavez fights short which make him an easier target and in punching range against Mayweather, where as Castillio fights taller and uses his range much better. Julio didn't have the kind of reach advantage that Jose did.

I must have missed your question, I dunno what you want to hear.
and people act like Castillo was a huge Lightweight at the time of the Mayweather fight. the guy was only gaining 12 pounds overnight, its really not that much. its just that Mayweather gains very little overnight and makes it look like a huge disparity in weight, but Chavez would probebly have been the bigger of the two on the day of the fight. and even if they were the same size Chavez could have pushed him back, he pushed almost everyone back regardless of their size, and Mayweather fights on the backfoot anyway.

I dont see Castillo fighting tall, Chavez and Castillo fought in basically the same exact stance, and their was little difference in their reach anyway.


anyways, well keep this up later, I should have been asleep a while ago but I get sidetracked in fun boxing discussions

[El Jesus]

If were going to start throwing out accusations that floyd ducked oscar in a mythical p4p matchup thread then i dont think i need to continue to be in this thread, carry on.

[Parody]

If were going to start throwing out accusations that floyd ducked oscar in a mythical p4p matchup thread then i dont think i need to continue to be in this thread, carry on.

Thanks to some of these new posters on boxingscene. This place used to be fun back in the days, but now as each day passes we have new trolls discussing controversial issues to seek attention, another reason why I stopped coming for a while.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Thanks to some of these new posters on boxingscene. This place used to be fun back in the days, but now as each day passes we have new trolls discussing controversial issues to seek attention, another reason why I stopped coming for a while.

well, that's mighty nice of you


call someone with a differing opinion a 'troll' and point to a join-date



my apologies for 'discussing controversial boxing issues' on a boxing forum....




next time, i'll check join dates, agree on everything and make it feel like the 'good ole days' for you guys

[Parody]

well, that's mighty nice of you


call someone with a differing opinion a 'troll' and point to a join-date



my apologies for 'discussing controversial boxing issues' on a boxing forum....




next time, i'll check join dates, agree on everything and make it feel like the 'good ole days' for you guys

I wasn't specifically talking about you, but in general a lot of new posters. You seem sensible but biased and thats fine with me because its called having a difference of opinion and thats the beauty of a ********ic forum, everyone has a bias, but trust me ask El Jesus AKA Black Jesus he knows what im talking about, like what the forums were before and what they have become now. Whenever I come on NSB now I see some sort of controversial topic created by posters or alts who joined not too long ago and their mere purpose is to seek attention/get replies by making a bait thread/reply. Even when there is a fight happening the next week everyones attention would be on:

"Miguel Quitto is a coward", "Gayweather is a fraud" instead of talking of the actual fight that deserves attention. Even certain posters never tend to stick to the topic and resort to something else about a fighter they personally dislike and use it as a counter arguement to prove they are correct, which would have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the thread they are currently discussing about in the first place.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Chavez's chin puts Gatti's and JesChavez's to shame, and theres no way he would get hit with what they did with his head movement. Whitaker never floored Chavez, and I dont think chavez was actually ever stunned by Whitaker, more just a combination of 'oof, flush shot' and him being exhausted.

Chavez may have had a great chin but it didn't look good for him to be taking all of those punches, and with Mayweather's hand speed, boxing ability and accuracy, he would land a lot. Floyd in those days was quick enough to land on opponents at will that actually had a good defense. Watch the first few rounds of Chavez/Taylor, Taylor wasn't volume punching early. He was using simple foot speed and counter punching ability, and even with his lack of a big punch he was making Chavez hesitant, miss, countering effectively and was controlling the fight. The only problem that he had was when he began to get overconfident and trade with Julio, and that led to him being slowly busted up and broke down. Look for Floyd to be on his P's and Q's for the full 12 rounds, tying up and staying outside Chavez's punching range. He was much better disciplined than that.

Also, Whitaker dropped Chavez but it must have not been ruled a knockdown, that just goes along with all of the other controversy in that fight, curtsy of Don King. I haven't seen the fight in a good while but from what i remember, he floored him with a right hook and he seemed fazed by it, and early when Chavez didn't show any respect, Pernell put some snap behind some of those punches and stung Chavez a bit. Of course he wasn't seriously hurt, although it definitely made him think twice about coming in reckless and Floyd punched a lot harder than both Taylor and Whitaker. He had the power to hurt Chavez.

Chavez was very good at ducking under hooks and pushing aside right hands while all the time moving foward, if there was a punch that bothered him it was multiple good jabs. I dont think Mayweather's left hooks or right hands would be able to land often, and when Mayweather missed Chavez would have quickly closed the distance with a lead left or right hand.

Chavez was good at slipping the punches of more limited and slower moving opponents hooks. I have analyzed Whitaker/Chavez and Taylor/Chavez and at no point did i see an underrated defense by Chavez. He was hit more than he slipped in both of those fights. Against someone with the speed, fluency and accuracy of Mayweather, he would get hit and a lot. Floyd was good at pot shoting smaller fighters and brilliant at controlling distance. I think Chavez would have his moments with Floyd occasionally as he momentarily backed on the ropes going into his traditional shoulder roll, but on the outside it would be a technical mismatch in favor of Floyd. Also, not to be using excuses or anything but i think Merchant made a great point in Castillo/Mayweather I. He said that Floyd came in thinking that Castillo would be an easy target and that he would be able to pot shot him at will, which is why i think he often looked confused and failed on many occasions to try to find a way in. Chavez gives you much more opportunities as he crouches his head down and comes in squared up in front of you. Castillo used his long left jab to smartly work his way in instead.

I must have missed your question, I dunno what you want to hear.
and people act like Castillo was a huge Lightweight at the time of the Mayweather fight. the guy was only gaining 12 pounds overnight, its really not that much. its just that Mayweather gains very little overnight and makes it look like a huge disparity in weight, but Chavez would probebly have been the bigger of the two on the day of the fight. and even if they were the same size Chavez could have pushed him back, he pushed almost everyone back regardless of their size, and Mayweather fights on the backfoot anyway.

I asked what speedster of high caliber fighter that Chavez beat that would indicate him beating someone with the boxing brain or hand speed of Floyd in his prime? and Castillo was definitely a huge lightweight and Chavez IMO always seemed extra small to me anyway. Whitaker started his career at lightweight and even when he was at welterweight, it seemed he had a considerable size advantage over Chavez. Castillio was very big and it shows when Mayweather had trouble fighting him off or even clinching at some points, he was strong enough to push back off and go right back to work. Also, Chavez may be able to push Mayweather back but he wouldn't be as strong in the clinches and wouldn't be able to elude well enough to have Mayweather think about being countered, the way Castillo did.

I dont see Castillo fighting tall, Chavez and Castillo fought in basically the same exact stance, and their was little difference in their reach anyway.

anyways, well keep this up later, I should have been asleep a while ago but I get sidetracked in fun boxing discussions

That video actually supported what i was referring to. Castillo used his long arms to jab his way in and even somewhat had success in the middle of the ring as well because of it. Chavez does not bring that.

And yeah i should have been sleep a while back also, its like 6:19am but i don't mind hanging for a good debate.

[Dynamite Kid]

Watch the entire 3rd and 8th round.

Starting from the 06:30



Starting from 05:00

Those wery very poor illustrations. He did not look hurt ONCE in either of those clips.......... just as i thought when i watched it. I dont no what on earth you are seeing. The second clip he was getting tagged, but he was never in trouble or stunned by any stretch of the imagination. The first clip is just completely pointless.

[ferocity]

I watched so many JC fighs you have no idea.... actually you should know because we talked about him before. One thing is not being a slow plodder (like Margarito) one thing is matching Mayweather in speed, which you wrote. On the other hand I never said Mayweather will hurt Chavez (why would you waste your time doing that?). So who's the one thinking a fighter is god?

I will also teach you some statistics.

If Mayweather mostly fought latino fighters (12 out of 18 title fights), wouldn't you expect at least 2/3 of the guys who gave him the most trouble to be latinos? Castillo, Judah, De La Hoya and Hatton are the ones to win more rounds against him. 2 of them (1/2) are not latinos. Your argument fails.

Finally Roberto Duran would be the one perfecting that style of boxing, not JC

PS: Good luck insulting one of the best fighters in the history of the sport by putting him together with Margarito.

The guys who you point out to give him a tough time were "not" the only fighters to give floyd a tough time. You're bsing yourself if you belive that.

Tell me how many Mexican fighters or Latin you know fight like Duran and how many fight like Chavez? Chavez has the more recognized Mexican fighting style then Duran.

So you can insult Margarito, as if he's done nothing in boxing, you might as well just not even talk about Margarito before someone else who knows boxing laughs at your post.

[Deja_Vous]

this thread said both in their prime, chavez was'nt in his prime when they fought. this fight would be the same as when chavez fought taylor, except mayweather does'nt have the heart taylor had, mayweather would'nt have gotten up.

chavez couldn't beat Wittalker at any weight or any time.

Taylor didn't have any defense or power..

Floyd would have Chavez at the end of punches he never knew excisted.

If you think Randall whipped his ass and made him QUIT in the rematch..Floyd would have his ass saying No Mas in Cantonese...LOL

[Rich Loc]

this thread said both in their prime, chavez was'nt in his prime when they fought. this fight would be the same as when chavez fought taylor, except mayweather does'nt have the heart taylor had, mayweather would'nt have gotten up.

What a ****** post. Taylor has more heart than Floyd??? How so.
Mayweather fought Castillo with a torn shoulder muscle and cracked ribs and still easily won