News and Notes: Mayweather Jr., Kirkland, Bey Brothers

[GRUSTLER]

Yo man! Have you read ANYTHING I wrote you?!? or are you mindlessly breezing over it?
Do I need to make you some cliff's notes?

I read your posts. Quite boring but yes I did.

Let me put my point another way, for the sake of EXTREME example:
What if the pound for pound list was a bunch of feather weights and heavy weights? Would that mean Floyd should come out and fight them JUST cause they're ranked P4P?!??

Shouldn't we consider weight difference in our formula amigo?

But the P4P list isn't a bunch of feather weights or Heavy Weights so your logic is B.S. and it holds no substance because it's not reality right now. The reality is that Floyd can fight JMM because he is 135 & only needs to move up 8 POUNDS to be at a catch weight 143, that would be in his favor because Floyd
would have to come down after fighting last at 147 & being retired for over a year. JMM is active and fighting great, it's only 8 POUNDS.

No one's saying JMM shouldn't be stepping up in weight. The guys is obviously a force to recognize.
But You're not seeing the significance in Juan having his FIRST FIGHT at 135!!!!!!

What? He had 2 fights at 135. What significance? He beat two top 10 135 pound fighters that have NEVER been KO'd before. What are you smoking?

He's USED TO BEING IN THE 120's!!!!!
IF HE'S GONNA FIGHT AT 143 OR EVEN CLOSE TO WELTER, LET HIM FIGHT OTHER LESSER WARRIORS BEFORE
JUMPING STRAIGHT AT FLOYD!!!!! HE'S GOTTA PROVE THAT HE CAN HANDLE THE WEIGHT.
COTTO'S ALREADY PROVED THAT HE CAN!

Marquez hasn't fought at 120 in like forever. JMM is at his best at 135. How do you know that he won't be able to handle at 143? He is looking good at 135. How will 8 pounds effect him in a negative way? If anything it will affect Floyd coming down more than JMM moving up IDIOT especially after a long lay off.
And for the record Miguel Cotto couldn't even handle 140 & kept getting spaghetti'd legged to the point he had to move up to 147 immediately. JMM moved up to 135 & topped Pac. I'm sure he will fight well at 140 or 143

If Floyd beats Marquez, you KNOW people will say, it was because
Marquez wasn't used to the weight JUST LIKE THEY DID TO PAVLIK's LOSS TO HOPKINS.

Remember how much Pavlik said an extra 10lbs affected him?
(btw, Let's not get into arguing about how good Hopkins was, my point: factoring in weight is a BIG thing.)

If Floyd beats anybody at any size people will still discredit the fighter he fought to make Floyd's accomplishments look that much less, so in that aspect it is a lose, lose situation. Floyd should do what's best for Floyd.

Again, you're missing my point.
I'm not even saying Cotto will beat Floyd, cause that's debatable.

I'm saying COTTO IS MUCH MORE OF A CHALLENGE THAN MARQUEZ!!!!!!!

That pound for pound idea made you put horse blinders on. You say: "Marquez is #2 pound for pound, that's all that matters" BULL!!!!!!!!!!

What point? Your trying to sound like you know everything but it doesn't make sense at all. No blinders on me, I just want to see a great fight Homie. You may think P4P is B.S. but right now Boxing is running with that title in regards to Manny, have you even been following the sport? Miguel Cotton is a punching bag with pop, which we already witnessed with Mosley & Margarito. Strictly offensive fighter, with NO back up strategy to win in adversity.

Haven't said anything that wasn't True? "facts"?
You're mixing facts & opinion.

I'm not hating on Floyd. To me hating would be making ignorant statments,
saying a high quality boxer doesn't stand a chance JUST because I don't like him.

YOU DON'T SEE COTTO AS A CHALLENGE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
who's the one that's hating?

Not facts? JJM is not the P4P number two fighter in the World? Floyd gains more coming out of retirement to fight JMM & Pac
then Cotto (FACTS) Facts and opinion is what your stating too because in actuality that is all we have because the fighters make the last decisions. Maybe your not hating on Floyd but your definitely hating on me for having a different opinion and out look on the situation and you proved that by disrespecting my photo. I don't see Cotto as a challenge because he can't even beat a lesser skill, slow, wide looping puncher like Antonio Margarito? How is he going to deal with a real Technical, excellent 12rd stamina, counter punching, defense, speed and conditioning
accurate ring genius?

But Like I said, I'm a fan of the WW division, and of coarse I've picked my favorite. But just cause we identify with a fighter
doesn't mean they're the best.
They'll prove that AFTER the best fights are made.

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I am a fan of the WW division too but Floyd proved he was the best no matter what you, me or anybody else thinks. He left the sport as the P4P #1 in the Sport. Cotto had his shot but blew it with Margarito & that's not hating that's true. Just because I don't see Cotto as the best challenge for Floyd don't mean that I'm blind, that just means that I don't think he would match well, so what. You have your opinion and I have mine, won't change who Floyd is going to fight.

[GRUSTLER]

Your an idiot.......

AND STOP DRINKING BEFORE YOU POST!!!!!!!!!

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Are you sure that you want to be on a boxing thread? Maybe an arts and craft website would be better for you. Your mad at me because I won't cosign Cotto to be a challenge to Mayweather's & his next opponent? I have nothing to do with Floyd's choice so don't get mad at me. Just like Floyd didn't see anything to gain in fighting Margarito the same he saw in Cotto and frankly he was right because both them guys got beat down. One exposed after the other.

Disrespecting my photo ain't going to change the fact that Miguel Cotto had his time to shine & get the P4P title but Margarito derailed and broke him down. My honest opinion is that Margarito/Cotto are the two most overrated fighters. Cotto proved it against Margarito and Margarito proved it against Mosley.

[d_boy]

Are you sure that you want to be on a boxing thread? Maybe an arts and craft website would be better for you. Your mad at me because I won't cosign Cotto to be a challenge to Mayweather's & his next opponent? I have nothing to do with Floyd's choice so don't get mad at me. Just like Floyd didn't see anything to gain in fighting Margarito the same he saw in Cotto and frankly he was right because both them guys got beat down. One exposed after the other.

Disrespecting my photo ain't going to change the fact that Miguel Cotto had his time to shine & get the P4P title but Margarito derailed and broke him down. My honest opinion is that Margarito/Cotto are the two most overrated fighters. Cotto proved it against Margarito and Margarito proved it against Mosley.

At least Cotto and Margarito had the balls to fight. Floyd retired and gave up his belts.

[GRUSTLER]

True.......

At least Cotto and Margarito had the balls to fight. Floyd retired and gave up his belts.

But Floyd can come back & still be higher on the P4P list than both of them
Hype jobs. Margarito worked hard all his career to get to the top and in his first defense off of his biggest win, gets caught cheating & beat down horribly all in one night? Cotto/Margarito the most OVERRATED fighters right now. I try to be cool about everything but you Cotto/Margarito fans make it impossible to give Cotto even the lil props because if someone doesn't 100% agree with Cotto being the best then immediately people are Floyd nut huggers.

I'm a fan of the Sport of Boxing and watch many fights past & present & I know for a fact that Margarito/Cotto are TOO DUMB to beat Floyd Mayweather Jr because their only punchers & that's it. The only 2 fighters to get beat down at 147 by Margarito was Cintron/Cotto? Both big punchers with NO technical skill & that's why they got DEMOLISHED. Paul Williams beat Margarito with SKILL, Mosley beat Margarito with SKILL, Hell, even Clottey held his own with a broken hand? What does that say about Cotto? If anything, Williams and Mosley is more of a challenge to Floyd than Miguel "The Pinata" Cotton. If Cotto was smart he would dump his Uncle and get a real trainer because Cotto & Urango got the same style? Both trained by his uncle.

[d_boy]

But Floyd can come back & still be higher on the P4P list than both of them
Hype jobs. Margarito worked hard all his career to get to the top and in his first defense off of his biggest win, gets caught cheating & beat down horribly all in one night? Cotto/Margarito the most OVERRATED fighters right now. I try to be cool about everything but you Cotto/Margarito fans make it impossible to give Cotto even the lil props because if someone doesn't 100% agree with Cotto being the best then immediately people are Floyd nut huggers.

I'm a fan of the Sport of Boxing and watch many fights past & present & I know for a fact that Margarito/Cotto are TOO DUMB to beat Floyd Mayweather Jr because their only punchers & that's it. The only 2 fighters to get beat down at 147 by Margarito was Cintron/Cotto? Both big punchers with NO technical skill & that's why they got DEMOLISHED. Paul Williams beat Margarito with SKILL, Mosley beat Margarito with SKILL, Hell, even Clottey held his own with a broken hand? What does that say about Cotto? If anything, Williams and Mosley is more of a challenge to Floyd than Miguel "The Pinata" Cotton. If Cotto was smart he would dump his Uncle and get a real trainer because Cotto & Urango got the same style? Both trained by his uncle.

Your boys a PUNK!!....He's been fighting in the WW division since 2006 (2yrs) and won't man up to fight any of the top WW. He retired. That's *****.

Judah 2006 - IBF and vacant IBO WW title.
Baldomir 2006 - IBA, IBO, WBC WW title.
De La Hoya 2007 - WBC Light Middlewieght Title
Hatton 2007- WBC WW title.

[FalconBalla2]

We will never find out the outcome of Mayweather vs. Cotto because its not happening. So don't sit there and try to analyze that Mayweather will beat Cotto or any other boxer that he hasn't fought. Stick with fight night video games or something because thats the only place you'll ever see Floyd fight Cotto. Retired = punkness. No more excuses. Leave the boxing to grown folks boy.

Yea yea... I know... simple young one... 39-0/ 6 time champ/ 2 time p4p/ is better than whatever the **** Miguel Cotto's record is or ever will be...

HATER!

It will never happen cuz Cotto doesn't want it to... Cotto is scared of Floyd.. He ain't ever mention Floyd's name period.. Cotto lost to 1Dimensional Tony and he can **** with Floyd?!?! go watch cartoons little boy...you just got schooled.

[FalconBalla2]

Cotto fans should go sit somewhere... Your boy aint near the top right now... Only reason he has a belt is cuz P Will let it go.. Funny how THAT was the belt no one wanted when P Will had it but when he left it Cotto was QUICK to go pick that **** up!!! bwahahahaha!!!

Guess what....this is what's next for Cotto..loss v Clottey... loss v Margarito again... loss v Mosley... then he'll officially be the next Fernando Vargas...