Pacquiao Aims for Four (and Six): Real History Part 1

[FasTHarD]

HE'S ALSO DUCKED LEGIT OPPOSITION IN "HIS OWN" WEIGHT CLASS, AND MARKETED HIS CHALLENGES AGAINST SAFER, SMALLER, COMPITITION AND HAS BEEN EXPOSED TO WHAT KIND OF FIGHTER HE REALLY IS...100X35.

Mate those safer, smaller fighter you say are the best fighter in this era if you forgot...

[El Jesus]

if pac beat casa and diaz it wouldn't even be special. however if marquez moved up three weights to have a close win over delahoya he would be the greatest mexican since chavez. double standards blatantly. pac was the big underdog and fought the best fight i have ever seen him fight. he boxed and used his aggression smartly, give ***in credit you fool.

If pac got in the ring with casamayor and juan diaz it would have meant 10x more to his legacy than diaz and de la hoya. HOWEVER, if you were reading what i said, which you likely werent i said this

I dont blame pac for the DLH fight,

Because i dont, DLH was begging for pac, and DLH got what he deserved, however the way that fight played out said alot more about de la hoya than it did about pacmans greatness. Pacman gets all the credit he could possibly get from beating down de la hoya like he did. But the fact is that the fight didint matter much, it wasnt for a title and it wasnt a division that pac actually planned to fight in.


Casamayor and Juan Diaz actually matter, they were the top guys in the their respective division and both of them were considered THE GUY at one point in the last 2 years in their division. What JMM did against those two is just as good as beating a washed up de la hoya and a terrible david diaz. Even if you consider the weight jump pac made. However a good victory over ricky hatton, the linear 140 champ, would definately offset JMM's accomplishment because Hatton is in his semi prime and this would be one division above JMM.

And i hope you know that im not mexican, im black, so dont even think of throwing bias based on any nationality in this, it does nothing for me to see either on top, im just saying how i feel, i can see this clearly bothers you.

[fcastro1]

If pac got in the ring with casamayor and juan diaz it would have meant 10x more to his legacy than diaz and de la hoya. HOWEVER, if you were reading what i said, which you likely werent i said this



Because i dont, DLH was begging for pac, and DLH got what he deserved, however the way that fight played out said alot more about de la hoya than it did about pacmans greatness. Pacman gets all the credit he could possibly get from beating down de la hoya like he did. But the fact is that the fight didint matter much, it wasnt for a title and it wasnt a division that pac actually planned to fight in.


Casamayor and Juan Diaz actually matter, they were the top guys in the their respective division and both of them were considered THE GUY at one point in the last 2 years in their division. What JMM did against those two is just as good as beating a washed up de la hoya and a terrible david diaz. Even if you consider the weight jump pac made. However a good victory over ricky hatton, the linear 140 champ, would definately offset JMM's accomplishment because Hatton is in his semi prime and this would be one division above JMM.

And i hope you know that im not mexican, im black, so dont even think of throwing bias based on any nationality in this, it does nothing for me to see either on top, im just saying how i feel, i can see this clearly bothers you.

cool i misread someparts, and i respect your non biased opinion. if you feel those 2 were better victory's i have no problems with that. i just feel pac aint getting the respect he is getting for that fight. how opinions can change from pac will get brain damage by hoya, to overated and the fight didn't mean nothing. you cant have it both ways.

delahoya was drained and everyone knew he was no longer in peak, what i dont understan is why people forget to mention that pac fougt the most disciplined fight and boxed the way he has never done before. that performance was impressive and people are overlooking one of his most complete performances ever. the pac that fought that night would have made a lot of fighters look bad.

[Pullcounter]

If pac got in the ring with casamayor and juan diaz it would have meant 10x more to his legacy than diaz and de la hoya. HOWEVER, if you were reading what i said, which you likely werent i said this



Because i dont, DLH was begging for pac, and DLH got what he deserved, however the way that fight played out said alot more about de la hoya than it did about pacmans greatness. Pacman gets all the credit he could possibly get from beating down de la hoya like he did. But the fact is that the fight didint matter much, it wasnt for a title and it wasnt a division that pac actually planned to fight in.


Casamayor and Juan Diaz actually matter, they were the top guys in the their respective division and both of them were considered THE GUY at one point in the last 2 years in their division. What JMM did against those two is just as good as beating a washed up de la hoya and a terrible david diaz. Even if you consider the weight jump pac made. However a good victory over ricky hatton, the linear 140 champ, would definately offset JMM's accomplishment because Hatton is in his semi prime and this would be one division above JMM.

And i hope you know that im not mexican, im black, so dont even think of throwing bias based on any nationality in this, it does nothing for me to see either on top, im just saying how i feel, i can see this clearly bothers you.

I get what you;re saying, but in terms of pac's career, the win over DLH is better than wins over both casamayor and juan diaz. Pac got his biggest payday against DLH and the glory and fame pac got from fighting dlh is pricless.

in terms of the lightweight division though, pac vs. casamayor and diaz would mean more, but Pac is bigger than the lightweight division now. and those fights, while meaningful for the division, aren't and werent meaningful for pac's career in the long run

[Bogler]

for haters, pac will never ever get the credit. and like you said earlier, if pac and jmms wins were switched, they would give more props for jmm jumping divisions to fight ddiaz dlh than pac vs jdiaz/casa. jdiaz would turn out to be a bum!

[El Jesus]

for haters, pac will never ever get the credit. and like you said earlier, if pac and jmms wins were switched, they would give more props for jmm jumping divisions to fight ddiaz dlh than pac vs jdiaz/casa. jdiaz would turn out to be a bum!

In no world but the bizarro world would Juan Diaz be a bum considering he once held nearly every major title in the division.

[El Jesus]

I get what you;re saying, but in terms of pac's career, the win over DLH is better than wins over both casamayor and juan diaz. Pac got his biggest payday against DLH and the glory and fame pac got from fighting dlh is pricless.

in terms of the lightweight division though, pac vs. casamayor and diaz would mean more, but Pac is bigger than the lightweight division now. and those fights, while meaningful for the division, aren't and werent meaningful for pac's career in the long run

I beg to differ legacywise but the argument isnt far fetched enough for me to continually dispute it, its an opinion i can live with even if it differs with mine.

[Bogler]

In no world but the bizarro world would Juan Diaz be a bum considering he once held nearly every major title in the division.

you'll never know w/ those ppl. to them sasakul, ledwaba were bums and mab was shot even in the first fight.

[Lady Fan]

I think Pac will pull it off.

I totally agree. The Pacman is definitely the best. JAT

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uLOL !!

fine. You're the expert here. Sorry for bothering you.

I know you know your ****, and you are worth talking to but it is not a very relevant point, I was just curious of finishing that up with crold1 and...

you are much better when pacman isnt involved