Alexis Arguello vs. Erik Morales

[Snuff Armstrong]

Erik Morales without a doubt is a Great fighter too. I just think Arguello would have caught up to him too eventually.

[P4P GOAT]

Guys, i ent seen many Arguello fights other than the Pryor fight.


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Agree.

He has done it before though (Pacquioa,Barrera 2,Espadas 1. Then again some people will say he lost to Espadas.

I dont necessarily think Morales would get tore up on the inside though either. Arguello was not a great in fighter. Ruben Olivares was having his way with Arguello on the inside just like Pryor, but Arguello caught up with Olivares late, but that was a 15 round fight.

I am not thinking so much about the fight goin on the inside (although I think Arguello is a bit better than Erik in that compartment, I agree with you that he is not eating him up). I can envision Erik not using his refined punching to keep the right range in exchanges and getting tagged more than Arguello, which you don't really want to do... Arguello would be a bit more able to stick to his gameplan than Erik would (doesnt take much sadly). You mention bodywork in a later post, but wouldnt that go both ways? And again... who of the two would be able to commit to a plan of early bodywork?

[Vasyl’s dad]

tough fight to predict.

all i know is if it could have happened prime vs. prime......i would have paid double to see it.

it would have been a classic FOTY war......

Correction, fight of the decade!

[Vasyl’s dad]

This would be a trilogy.

Correction, it would have been a thrillogy!

[P4P GOAT]

I am not thinking so much about the fight goin on the inside (although I think Arguello is a bit better than Erik in that compartment, I agree with you that he is not eating him up). I can envision Erik not using his refined punching to keep the right range in exchanges and getting tagged more than Arguello, which you don't really want to do... Arguello would be a bit more able to stick to his gameplan than Erik would (doesnt take much sadly). You mention bodywork in a later post, but wouldnt that go both ways? And again... who of the two would be able to commit to a plan of early bodywork?

Arguello got overworked over on the inside by Ruben Olivares and Pryor and Mancini. Aguello's inside game was not that good.

Arguelllo is just as hittable as Morales.

Morales is a better Boxer and, he is quicker than Arguello. Arguello would need a 15 round fight to beat Morales imo. Morales has a great chin too dont forget.

People who think Arguello was a great boxer have not seen a lot of him, he has been outboxed a few times, but his power and overall consistency takes its toll. Especially in a 15 round fight. Arguello would probably beat Morales in a 15 round fight, but not in a 12 round fight. Morales would probably lose his discipline late in a 12 round fight, and Arguello would probably be coming on strong, but by that time he would be to far behind and, he would probably drop a SD imo.

That is how i see it anyway.

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Arguello got overworked on the insde by Ruben Olivares and Pryor and Mancini. Aguello's inside game was not that good.

Arguelllo is just as hittable as Morales.

Morales is a better Boxer and, he is quicker than Arguello. Arguello would need a 15 round fight to beat Morales imo. Morales has a great chin too dont forget.

People who think Arguello was a great boxer have not seen a lot of him, he has been outboxed a few times, but his power and overall consistency takes its toll. Especially in a 15 round fight. Arguello would probably beat Morales in a 15 round fight, but not in a 12 round fight. Morales would probably lose his discipline late in a 12 round fight, and Arguello would probably be coming on strong, but by that time he would be to far behind and, he would probably drop a SD imo.

That is how i see it anyway.

Yes, but you can afford being hit by Morales more than you can afford being hit by Arguello. And that's what I see to be Erik's downfall. Arguello took rounds and rounds of Pryor punishment before slowing down, he can certainly take anything Erik hits him with... the other way round? no evidence, if one fighter has to slow down, it would be Morales. I think we differ in that I think that would happen soon enough for a 12 round fight to go in Arguello's favor.

On who is the better boxer, I think we use the term differently. Erik looks more polished, but Arguello fought smarter. To me the better boxer is the fighter who uses intelligently his assets (unless his assets are Marciano-type, in which case we can talk about a smart brawler). That is clearly Arguello.

We can disagree, good debate though!

[P4P GOAT]

Yes, but you can afford being hit by Morales more than you can afford being hit by Arguello. And that's what I see to be Erik's downfall. Arguello took rounds and rounds of Pryor punishment before slowing down, he can certainly take anything Erik hits him with... the other way round? no evidence, if one fighter has to slow down, it would be Morales. I think we differ in that I think that would happen soon enough for a 12 round fight to go in Arguello's favor.

On who is the better boxer, I think we use the term differently. Erik looks more polished, but Arguello fought smarter. To me the better boxer is the fighter who uses intelligently his assets (unless his assets are Marciano-type, in which case we can talk about a smart brawler). That is clearly Arguello.

We can disagree, good debate though!

Probably not, but Arguello's punching was at its most destructive, when you stayed on end of his punching range like Kobayashi,Rooney did.

There is no question Arguello has a GREAT chin. I said that from the outset. Ive seen him tagged a few times and the man can take a shot.

Problem is you are more than likely basing most of your opinion on the Pryor fights. Ive seen Arguello lose and struggle against the likes of Vilomar Fernandez,Ruben Olivares,Escalera.

You need to see what Arguello's flaws where before you come up with intangibles and say this is why, he beats Morales, because its unfair, because you have probably seen Morales's flaws.

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Probably not, but Arguello's punching was at its most destructive, when you stayed on end of his punching range like Kobayashi,Rooney did.

There is no question Arguello has a GREAT chin. I said that from the outset. Ive seen him tagged a few times and the man can take a shot.

Problem is you are more than likely basing most of your opinion on the Pryor fights. Ive seen Arguello lose and struggle against the likes of Vilomar Fernandez,Ruben Olivares,Escalera.

You need to see what Arguello's flaws where before you come up with intangibles and say this is why, he beats Morales, because its unfair, because you have probably seen Morales's flaws.

I have seen a ton of Arguello's title fights (I have never seen the loss to Fernandez though). The fact that he had tough fights with Olivares and Escalera is not a shame at all IMO, those were damn good fighters (and Olivares was his first title fight or so right?), and it does not seem to me that Morales fights like them, or much less like Mancini (which I would not really call struggle).

I don't understand what you see happening in this fight. Morales taking it on the inside? boxing with some caution, not standing and trading at some range)? I don't see either happening. I also don't understand which of his weaknesses you see being exploited here? speed? susceptible to active inside fighters?

The way I see this going is the way both fighers liked to fight the most, **** at some range. And in this fight, I see Arguello prevailing.

[P4P GOAT]

I have seen a ton of Arguello's title fights (I have never seen the loss to Fernandez though). The fact that he had tough fights with Olivares and Escalera is not a shame at all IMO, those were damn good fighters (and Olivares was his first title fight or so right?), and it does not seem to me that Morales fights like them, or much less like Mancini (which I would not really call struggle).

I don't understand what you see happening in this fight. Morales taking it on the inside? boxing with some caution, not standing and trading at some range)? I don't see either happening. I also don't understand which of his weaknesses you see being exploited here? speed? susceptible to active inside fighters?

The way I see this going is the way both fighers liked to fight the most, **** at some range. And in this fight, I see Arguello prevailing.

Morales would keep Arguello turning from long range and use his superior speed a counter punching ability, which would frustrate Arguello. Arguello did not cope well at all with lateral movement. Morales would have more success inside, because he has faster hands and punches straighter. The only thing Morales should not do is stay there on the inside waiting for the receipt, when he landed on the inside.

Morales Boxes from range utilizes speed,superior countering skills, and takes it to Arguello in flurries and wins a SD.

Im talking about mixing the attack up fighting at long range,whilst stepping inside to throw flurries at mid range, then getting back to long range. Alexis Arguello was a notoriously slow starter. That is why his consistency and punching power was more dangerous later into the fight, and why he knocked so many people out late.