Alexis Arguello vs. Erik Morales

[oldgringo]

Morales would keep Arguello turning from long range and use his superior speed a counter punching ability, which would frustrate Arguello who did not cope well at all with lateral movement. Morales would have more success inside, because he has faster hands and punches straighter. The only thing Morales should not do is stay there on the inside waiting for the receipt, when he landed on the inside.

Morales Boxes from range utilities speed,superior countering skills, and takes it to Arguello in flurrie and wins a SD.

Im talking about mixing the attack up fighting at long range,whilst stepping inside to throw flurries at mid range, then getting back to long range. Alexis Arguello was a notoriously slow starter. That is why his consistency and punching power was more dangerous later into the fight.

I seriously doubt Erik would use significant lateral movement against Arguello. Also, Arguello is one of the best technicians the sport has seen, so I don't know where you get the "Erik punches straighter etc" stuff from. Arguello's shots were often straight and compact, as much as Erik's anyway.

Erik was not a speedy -flurry in and out- type of fighter. He'd have success getting off with combinations in spots, but it'd often be a war of attrition. When Morales stuck to boxing behind the jab and right hand he was difficult to deal with, but he was almost always dragged into exchanges.

It'd be a hell of a fight though.

[P4P GOAT]

I seriously doubt Erik would use significant lateral movement against Arguello. Also, Arguello is one of the best technicians the sport has seen, so I don't know where you get the "Erik punches straighter etc" stuff from. Arguello's shots were often straight and compact, as much as Erik's anyway.

Erik was not a speedy -flurry in and out- type of fighter. He'd have success getting off with combinations in spots, but it'd often be a war of attrition. When Morales stuck to boxing behind the jab and right hand he was difficult to deal with, but he was almost always dragged into exchanges.

It'd be a hell of a fight though.

Arguello gets very wide, when he throws the right hand left hooks. When Arguello got pressured his punches got wider, because his arms were to long to turn over as quick and, he did not rotate the body sufficiently enough to maintain form.

Agree Morales is not that type of in and out fighter, but i think he used the angles enough to offset Arguello, if he Boxes.


You take the point though Morales has done it successfully (Pacquiao 1.Barrera 2) and if he does it against Arguello he wins imo.

[Snuff Armstrong]

Great debate fellas. For one to say that Arguello isnt a boxer when he was a pure technician is mind boggling though.

[P4P GOAT]

I seriously doubt Erik would use significant lateral movement against Arguello. Also, Arguello is one of the best technicians the sport has seen, so I don't know where you get the "Erik punches straighter etc" stuff from. Arguello's shots were often straight and compact, as much as Erik's anyway.

Erik was not a speedy -flurry in and out- type of fighter. He'd have success getting off with combinations in spots, but it'd often be a war of attrition. When Morales stuck to boxing behind the jab and right hand he was difficult to deal with, but he was almost always dragged into exchanges.

It'd be a hell of a fight though.

Having revaluated im not sure you know. I mean thinking about it. Morales did have a tendency to get trapped on the ropes, and i cant see him laying there with Arguello's viscous body punching.

I did say he would beat Arguello, if he was able to step inside and flurry from mid range, but then again like i said previously Arguello was devastating, if you stayed at the end of his punching range etc.

Then there is the lack of lateral movement. Now i think about it. I dont think EM did have enough lateral movement to offest AA.

I do still think Morales is the straight puncher though. Arguello was a straight, puncher, when throwing the 1 2, but not when he unloading hooks combinations etc. I also still think Morales speed,countering skills would give him trouble.

I dont know i guess im sticking up for the more modern fighter a bit. I dont think, its a foregone conclusion though. Tough fight to call.

[P4P GOAT]

Great debate fellas. For one to say that Arguello isnt a boxer when he was a pure technician is mind boggling though.

Arguello is a Boxer, but he is not a GREAT boxer, he has been outboxed more than once. Like i said, its his consistency punching power,chin and body attacks that make him the fighter he is not his GREAT boxing skills.

[Snuff Armstrong]

I think it was a combination of everything, includiing his boxing ability that made him into an all time Great. Think about it, he had good ring generalship, fair defense, was good on the inside, a monster on the outside, a good boxer indeed. And the fact that he was so accurate when delivering his potent body attack and powerful head shots make him an obvious Legend.

[Deja_Vous]

Wow! What a fight this would be. Does Arguello and his sharp accurate punches prevail over the warrior Morales?

Arguello by death.

[Snuff Armstrong]

Arguello by death.

Damn, thats deep.

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Morales would keep Arguello turning from long range and use his superior speed a counter punching ability, which would frustrate Arguello. Arguello did not cope well at all with lateral movement. Morales would have more success inside, because he has faster hands and punches straighter. The only thing Morales should not do is stay there on the inside waiting for the receipt, when he landed on the inside.

Morales Boxes from range utilizes speed,superior countering skills, and takes it to Arguello in flurries and wins a SD.

Im talking about mixing the attack up fighting at long range,whilst stepping inside to throw flurries at mid range, then getting back to long range. Alexis Arguello was a notoriously slow starter. That is why his consistency and punching power was more dangerous later into the fight, and why he knocked so many people out late.

I think you are basing Arguello not dealing well with lateral movement on like half a fight. It almost sounds like Tito facing a good jab...

Look my main point is Erik does not fight the way you described, the only times he did that, he was facing shorter opponents and still eating plenty of leather in the process. Also, Morales superior countering skills... hmmm don't know about that one.

And one thing, for sure he is not going to fighti and out. That's not his thing. IMO you are describing how Floyd Mayweather would fight Alexis Arguello. As much as Erik probably had the natural ability required to do so. He just didnt use it.

You are describing the Erik Morales that should (and could) have been. He would have had an easier and better career if he chose to use his gifts, but he just did not.

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Arguello is a Boxer, but he is not a GREAT boxer, he has been outboxed more than once. Like i said, its his consistency punching power,chin and body attacks that make him the fighter he is not his GREAT boxing skills.

But who is the best boxer? The guy who has the best form movement or the guy who has the plan works it and adapts it? for example Arguello as you pointed out too had amazing rin generalship, Erik not so much