Barrera Vs. Marquez Scorecards Were Atrocious

[2501]

I don't know why it does. Because it lessens the blow? He rolled the punches with some of them, but he was still getting hit and he'd get hit flush. It's not like Barrera was slipping or rolling the punches off his shoulders like Toney or Floyd does.

Well, we have to remember that not all judges score in the same manner. We've seen that judges have scored fights on just punches and not the effectiveness and some score on what kind of damage the punches are making.

When a fighter rolls with a punch, especially in the way that moves in the direction the punch is going, sometimes you can't really tell if it landed or not as a judge. In that fight, a lot of the punches MAB rolled weren't countered.

Its not like Floyd who will stand and roll 1 or 2 punches, then throws a hard right and moves out the way. At that point, you have an idea of why Floyd allowed his opponent to get so close.

[Da Hammer]

i believe i made a similar thread like this just a couple days ago and the same argument with warp lol. anyways yea i thought barrera won by 1 point but it was a close fight.

[deemo]

was a close fight could have went either way

[Bhopreign]

i believe i made a similar thread like this just a couple days ago and the same argument with warp lol. anyways yea i thought barrera won by 1 point but it was a close fight.

The kid is pretty sad.

[warp1432]

Well, we have to remember that not all judges score in the same manner. We've seen that judges have scored fights on just punches and not the effectiveness and some score on what kind of damage the punches are making.

When a fighter rolls with a punch, especially in the way that moves in the direction the punch is going, sometimes you can't really tell if it landed or not as a judge. In that fight, a lot of the punches MAB rolled weren't countered.

Its not like Floyd who will stand and roll 1 or 2 punches, then throws a hard right and moves out the way. At that point, you have an idea of why Floyd allowed his opponent to get so close.

Weren't countered or counted? Because Marquez followed up on his combinations when Barrera rolled. I think you mean counted though.

[warp1432]

The kid is pretty sad.

Why because I don't agree with you

I'm making my case for why I thought Marquez won. You think you make a thread and people are going to agree with you? Tough **** buddy.

[Bhopreign]

Why because I don't agree with you

I'm making my case for why I thought Marquez won. You think you make a thread and people are going to agree with you? Tough **** buddy.

No its because when you were presented with facts you still disagreed with facts and besides I've heard you make countless wrong statements before and not waver one bit, its pretty much expected at this point. You try and talk about things you have no idea about only to argue basically, your nonsense rants with Trekas are embarrassing.

[lefthook2daliva]

I saw it as a great fight and close enough to have gone either way w/o complaining. But I agree w/the thread starter. The spread on the scores was atrocious. For whatever reason the HBO crew were on JMM's nuts the whole night and that just made it worse.

[warp1432]

No its because when you were presented with facts you still disagreed with facts and besides I've heard you make countless wrong statements before and not waver one bit, its pretty much expected at this point. You try and talk about things you have no idea about only to argue basically, your nonsense rants with Trekas are embarrassing.

"Countless facts" are usually just bull**** opinions. Have I been wrong before? Absolutely. I've also gone back and have been proved wrongs on things like Nate "beating" his ex girl or the lineal light heavyweight champ. Do I like to drag somethings out before I know I'm wrong? Sure, hence why me following up on things with Trekas.

Things I have said with Terry Trekas usually have meaning. I know you like to suck Campbell off and all, but Campbell did look like an absolute joke after failing to make weight. I like to prove my points with detail. Fighters were not ducking Campbell by the way.

As for this thread, what have you presented? Honestly really nothing. You've presented some numbers. You said somethings were close (which I disagreed with, without insulting you).

Hammer brought his opinions and it was actually a good discussion. You really haven't done anything besides say it was a draw and throw some punch stats out.

[Bhopreign]

"Countless facts" are usually just bull**** opinions. Have I been wrong before? Absolutely. I've also gone back and have been proved wrongs on things like Nate "beating" his ex girl or the lineal light heavyweight champ. Do I like to drag somethings out before I know I'm wrong? Sure, hence why me following up on things with Trekas.

Things I have said with Terry Trekas usually have meaning. I know you like to suck Campbell off and all, but Campbell did look like an absolute joke after failing to make weight. I like to prove my points with detail. Fighters were not ducking Campbell by the way.

As for this thread, what have you presented? Honestly really nothing. You've presented some numbers. You said somethings were close (which I disagreed with, without insulting you).

Hammer brought his opinions and it was actually a good discussion. You really haven't done anything besides say it was a draw and throw some punch stats out.

I dont take up for Nate to that extent and never have, It does look silly to complain about Guzman then you miss weight yourself, I never thought another fighter ducked him either.