How do you rate Jones win over Toney?

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Also, I think i read somewhere that JT lost 40 pounds in a very short amount of time. Something like 1 month and a half or something. That's some pretty dangerous ****. If only Toney had discipline, he could've been 10 ATG

47 pounds in 6 weeks, according to James Toney.



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The way ppl go on about it you would think Toney walked into the ring with a drip.

I just love re-watching that fight though. It is definately Roy's true coming out party. He was fkn spectacular.

How do you see the Pacquiao vs. Bill Gates fight? No excuses about the weight?

The way ppl go on about it you would think Toney walked into the ring with a drip.

That's not far from the truth, apparently!



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[Hook]

47 pounds in 6 weeks, according to James Toney.

And amazingly continued to fight just 7lbs over what he fought Jones for the next year.

[elgu]

It was a great win and although Toneys weight was a slight issue we also have to remember that Jones right hand wasnt in good condition. I watched the fight recently and you could tell it hurt Jones to throw the right hand and he depended mainly on his left hook on that fight.

[Miburo]

Toney was not nearly at his best, but it was still a great win.

[Reggie Miller]

Impressive win.

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Thought this snippet would be a good thing to throw into the thread. Thanks to CottoWillReturn for posting it in another thread earlier.

"At this time, most boxing magazines and writers had regarded Toney as the best pound per pound fighter in the world. He had become one of the most feared and intimidating fighters as well. James Toney had become somewhat of a throwback to the old time great fighters, as he fought often and was willing to take on the best regardless of weight class. At his best, Toney’s style was almost flawless. He was a smooth boxer/puncher who could adapt to any style. He could easily fight from the distance or on an inside battle. He was one of the best defensive specialists in the sport, in that he could slip and avoid punches in a way that resembled a young Roberto Duran. Toney seemed to have it all, power, speed, a solid chin, an outstanding defense and an aura that commanded respect. But his battle with weight had once again begun to take its toll. He would balloon to over 200 lbs between fights, which made it apparent that his days at the Super Middleweight limit were coming to an end. In fact Toney’s sights were now set on the Heavyweight division. However, after the Williams fight it was announced that Toney would next defend his title with a big money fight against Roy Jones.

Toney accepted the fight, believing that he would be able to make the 168lbs. limit one last time. The fight was set for November 18, 1994. Toney went into training camp for the Jones match a mere 6 weeks prior to the fight, weighing 214 lbs. By the day of the weigh-in Toney had stepped on the scale weighing a weak looking 167 lbs. He had lost 47 lbs in just 6 weeks. Toney was severely dehydrated and his camp knew it. After the weigh-in, Toney was hooked up to an I.V. in order to replace his body with fluids and he was kept on it all night until the next day of the fight. On fight day, just before entering the ring, Toney had weighed himself in the dressing room. It was reported that he weighed 186 lbs, which meant that he had gained an incredible 19 pounds in less than 24 hours. As Toney climbed into the ring and removed his robe, he revealed a soft looking body which lacked muscle tone. It became apparent that this was not the same fighter. In spite of the fact that Toney was so grossly out of shape, Jones still seemed content to fight a safe cautious fight. The result was a boring 12 round decision win for Jones. This became Toney’s first loss after 46 pro fights. After the fight, Toney admitted that he had been weakened by making the weight and stated that he would move up to the Light Heavyweight division."

http://lightsout10.tripod.com/toney_biography.htm

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It was a great win and although Toneys weight was a slight issue we also have to remember that Jones right hand wasnt in good condition. I watched the fight recently and you could tell it hurt Jones to throw the right hand and he depended mainly on his left hook on that fight.

Ah, like Calzaghe vs. Reid, only the opposite hand!





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The way ppl go on about it you would think Toney walked into the ring with a drip.

Actually, I read he was the night before the fight. I'll try to find the source.

[Hook]

There may well have been a weight issue with Toney, as there always has been, but ultimatly it's just excuses after the event imo.

There is a book of excuses as to why he lost to Sam Peter...

I like Toney, but...