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The Top 20 Junior Welterweights of All-Time

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  • #41
    Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR View Post
    WTF is DLH doing there????? Benitez should be top 10 if not top 5.
    De La Hoya was great at the weight..

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    • #42
      Originally posted by Howlin' Wolf View Post
      De La Hoya was great at the weight..
      He was the only fighter to stop Chavez, au****ious or not, and Gonzalez was still a force then. De La Hoya could have reigned at 40 for years.

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      • #43
        Cliff: You are trying to be objective but all time rankings can all most never be. Check out Steve Farhoods divisional ranking in Ring magazine in 1994. Those are very realistic. Kid Pambele was a good fighter but first he lost to Benitez and then to Pryor. Chavez didn't lose at the weight until the first Randal fight.

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        • #44
          Cotto should be in the top 5

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          • #45
            Originally posted by C.Y. View Post
            Cotto should be in the top 5
            Based on? He never really did a great deal at 140...

            Torres and Malinaggi don't really match up all that well to Tzsyu and Castillio and Hatton is down at 8.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Madvillain View Post
              I figured out how bull**** this was when they said Kessler was the second greatest Super Middleweight of all time.
              Yeah but Kessler has that murderous schedule lately. I would have put him at #1 if he would have beat Calzaghe! Haha.

              I think Kessler has the potential to get up there in the 68 all time but to say he is already second is laughable, ludy cris, and ig-nant

              This list isn't that bad, the top 5 are pretty accurate and everyone is within 1 or two spots of where they should be. The jr middle list was pretty good too. Personally I think Cervantes should be 4-5. He only beat 5 other champions/titlists and some of his defenses we rematches that he already won.

              Chavez=#1

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              • #47
                Miguel Cotto?!

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                • #48
                  Antonio Cervantes #1?! WOOOOOWWW

                  Pryor should be #2 (**** chavez)

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by blackirish137 View Post
                    I actually think this is the best list so far. Im not incredibly surprised that Cervantes is number 1...apart from being an excellent fighter on his own, he beat a huge amount of other good fighters. much like how Norris should probebly be rated #1 at Light Middleweight, despite the fact that he would probebly have lost to a few others on the list.
                    #1 is still kind of a stretch, but theres no clean cut best at 140 either for that matter.

                    De La Hoya should probebly be a little bit lower...he only had like 2 fights at 140...but those wins were pretty good. I think he makes the top 20.

                    Im not too big on Hatton so high either, but Im glad guys like Juan Martin Coggi and Barney Ross got rated fairly high.

                    I think Tyszu should have been above Locche. always liked Locche, but he didnt have a giant amount of wins at the world class level. and Ive read that his 'draw' with Carlos Ortiz was very controversial. Locche was a fantastic defensive fighter, but he had his limits.
                    I think that you could argue that Chavez beat more solid/top tier fighters at this weight than Cervantes. Maybe its because I was around for Chavez's reign but he just obliterated (see Haugen/Camacho) people and as Rold mentioned, ruled with an iron fist.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by MatteoAlderson View Post
                      Cliff: You are trying to be objective but all time rankings can all most never be. Check out Steve Farhoods divisional ranking in Ring magazine in 1994. Those are very realistic. Kid Pambele was a good fighter but first he lost to Benitez and then to Pryor. Chavez didn't lose at the weight until the first Randal fight.
                      Brett:
                      I agree on the almost can never be except to further it with "they can never be period." There are no right answers; just angles and takes. There are probably wrong answers and this system probably makes some of those, but for the most part the top of the lists has been accurate and arguable so if I can add anything to the debates, groovy.

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