In response to the what Calzaghe's resume SHOULD have looked like thread...

[sunny31]

I've broken down these points several times, but I'll say this again:

His resume is not very good. Mostly because of his division. And honestly contractual stuff aside (where are those kinds of talks when people accuse Hopkins of ducking him) no one can convince me the SMW isn't basically garbage. I mean look at the list of his defenses from Eubank to Lacy. I can pull it out for you if you'd like. It's honestly NO very good unless you are a huge fan, biased, or just don't know much about those fighters. And all to defend what? A WBO trinket? To never push for unification bout? Who is at fault for that? Him? Sven Ottke? Frank Warren? No matter where a Calzaghe fan shifts the blame, that's fine, because my original point about the weaknesses of his overall resume still stand.


There's is a reason that Hopkins did not fight Joe, and no there was never a signed offer or anything in writing, there was a verbal yes on a phone conference that was later taken back by Hopkins. Again Hopkins reasoning is from before the middleweight unification tournament, and the fact that he was locked into what he referred to as the Don King "slave contract". He only signed with King to get into the tourney (he was being left out of it if he didn't). After he beat Tito his primary motives became securing another mega bout that would net him stardom AND cash. If he had fought Joe that would have gotten him neither (Don's cut). When he fought Hakkar he effectively screwed King and got himself out of the future fight contract.

But again, apparently none of these facts are relevant to most Calzaghe fans who started watching boxing around 06.

In the end Hopkins did the right thing for himself by getting his star making pay day against De La Hoya.

My point still stands: If Joe really wanted either of those fights earlier he would have taken the TARVER route. I hate Tarver, but the bottom line is that guy is the MODEL for all challengers or people of lesser stardom to seek out fights with champs and stars. That's how it should be done. Anything less than that, and you simply have yourself to blame.

Funny how Hatton managed to dump Warren and do what Calzaghe wouldn't until much later in his career. Why is that?

As for Jones and Hopkins fighting them is better than not fighting them at all? Why? For Name value? That's pathetic. Guess if Cotto fought Hearns today we could call Cotto a legend killer?

Roy was beyond shot. And STOP BRINGING Up that people picked Roy to win. Those people were delusional. They were either Calzaghe nuthuggers who KNEW Roy was shot and trying to bring him up so that Joe's win would look better, or delusional Roy fans that didn't realize the year was 08 and not 03. In addition bringing up the fact that people picked Roy to win in order to prove that Joe's win is good is piss poor logic. It's weak. Roy was shot, what a thousand idiots thought about it doesn't change the fact that he was shot.

For Name value? The last time I checked bernard hopkins is still a damn good fighter still in the p4p top 10, still winning. Stop bringing up roy? Think that is the first time I personally have ever really talked about it, don't generalise! You know nothing of hatton warren relationship! Read ricky's book the situation is not comparable. Hatton's problems with warren started from 2002-2003 when warren screwed vince phillips, hatton didn't like how warren treated a fellow fighter, calzaghe always had a good working relationship with warren.

You made a thread about it being calzaghe's fault that he never made fights with the afformentioned fighters yet, you admit hopkins backed out of a verbal agreement with calzaghe due to a contractual problem with don king? Even though the reason was that Hopkins asked for DOUBLE the money the day after which hopkins admitted he wanted for moving up in weight. You then say hopkins did what was best for his career? So this is again I suppose is Calzaghe's fault. In terms of roy I agree he took it for the money but to be honest MANY people more qualified than you thought roy would be a tough and dangerous fight, hindsight and "I told you so" is easy, and to be honest with you the same thing would have happened to kelly pavlik who was the other viable opponent around the time

Hypocrite comes to mind

His resume isn't brilliant, BUT it is good

Woodhall, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Bika, Lacy all decent fighters and world champs bika aside

Kessler good fighter

Hopkins great fighter

All this equals good resume

[S A M U R A I]

His resume isn't brilliant, BUT it is good

Woodhall, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Bika, Lacy all decent fighters and world champs bika aside

Kessler good fighter

Hopkins great fighter

All this equals good resume

Don't forget...



Easily one of his best wins. Some would arge it's THE best win. I don't care how many people post "durrr, he was weight drained", fact is he gave Calzaghe hell.



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[sunny31]

Don't forget...



Easily one of his best wins. Some would arge it's THE best win. I don't care how many people post "durrr, he was weight drained", fact is he gave Calzaghe hell.

Yeah to be fair Eubank had a lot left in the tank. Calzaghe just too fast for him. I was at that fight good fight first time I watched pro boxing live

Naseem was magic that night

[bsrizpac]

Not a day has gone by since pisspac returned from his ban when he hasnt continued with the same,tired old "I hate Calzaghe spam,and I will attempt to justify my pathetic arguments as to why he is ****e".The bloke is now retired and you are still carrying on with this ****.You accuse anyone who supports/supported him as being a nuthugger/fanboy,but I would wager that you have posted more about him than anyone else on this entire forum.How many times have you,"broken down his resume"???? do you really think anyone really cares? The closest you have probably been to a ring is when you have got your finger jammed in your hoop.

Idiot.Moron. Spineless. Coward. Know nothing. Unfunny.

Can you please repost this in English? Thanks moron.

[sunny31]

Can you please repost this in English? Thanks moron.

What a joke

Don't know why I wasted my time thought this guy was a serious poster

[bsrizpac]

For Name value? The last time I checked bernard hopkins is still a damn good fighter still in the p4p top 10, still winning. Stop bringing up roy? Think that is the first time I personally have ever really talked about it, don't generalise! You know nothing of hatton warren relationship! Read ricky's book the situation is not comparable. Hatton's problems with warren started from 2002-2003 when warren screwed vince phillips, hatton didn't like how warren treated a fellow fighter, calzaghe always had a good working relationship with warren.

You made a thread about it being calzaghe's fault that he never made fights with the afformentioned fighters yet, you admit hopkins backed out of a verbal agreement with calzaghe due to a contractual problem with don king? Even though the reason was that Hopkins asked for DOUBLE the money the day after which hopkins admitted he wanted for moving up in weight. You then say hopkins did what was best for his career? So this is again I suppose is Calzaghe's fault. In terms of roy I agree he took it for the money but to be honest MANY people more qualified than you thought roy would be a tough and dangerous fight, hindsight and "I told you so" is easy, and to be honest with you the same thing would have happened to kelly pavlik who was the other viable opponent around the time

Hypocrite comes to mind

His resume isn't brilliant, BUT it is good

Woodhall, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Bika, Lacy all decent fighters and world champs bika aside


Kessler good fighter

Hopkins great fighter

All this equals good resume

World Champs in a **** division where anyone is a world champ. Lacy is garbage. Stop trying to make him seem better than he is.

Kessler has not beaten anyone.

Hopkins is 43 and lost because of Stamina. And even then Joe looked like **** doing it. Hopkins then proceeded to beat a human punching bag who gave up around round three ( I was ringside for that fight btw).

As for the highlighted you need to go back to my FIRST Post and read about what Tarver did.

Calzaghe wasn't known. He wasn't the star. Period. You take the Tarver route to MAKE those fights happen if you really want them. That's it.

I'm not "blaming him". I'm just telling you that conveniently Just with HIM those fights never happened.

[bsrizpac]

What a joke

Don't know why I wasted my time thought this guy was a serious poster

You think Mr. Crust is a serious poster? Okay, whatever.

That wasn't directed at you. You have serious problems if you think it was.

Crust is a simplistic nation troll that just spams everything with pro Brit anti US garbage in terrible, piss poor English.

[andrewcuff]

What a joke

Don't know why I wasted my time thought this guy was a serious poster

You should just use the ignore feature. Some posters on here are just arrogant, ignorant idiots who will never be able to understand or respect somebody else's opinion if it differs from their own.

[bsrizpac]

For Name value? The last time I checked bernard hopkins is still a damn good fighter still in the p4p top 10, still winning. Stop bringing up roy? Think that is the first time I personally have ever really talked about it, don't generalise! You know nothing of hatton warren relationship! Read ricky's book the situation is not comparable. Hatton's problems with warren started from 2002-2003 when warren screwed vince phillips, hatton didn't like how warren treated a fellow fighter, calzaghe always had a good working relationship with warren.

You made a thread about it being calzaghe's fault that he never made fights with the afformentioned fighters yet, you admit hopkins backed out of a verbal agreement with calzaghe due to a contractual problem with don king? Even though the reason was that Hopkins asked for DOUBLE the money the day after which hopkins admitted he wanted for moving up in weight. You then say hopkins did what was best for his career? So this is again I suppose is Calzaghe's fault. In terms of roy I agree he took it for the money but to be honest MANY people more qualified than you thought roy would be a tough and dangerous fight, hindsight and "I told you so" is easy, and to be honest with you the same thing would have happened to kelly pavlik who was the other viable opponent around the time

Hypocrite comes to mind

His resume isn't brilliant, BUT it is good

Woodhall, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, Bika, Lacy all decent fighters and world champs bika aside

Kessler good fighter

Hopkins great fighter

All this equals good resume

Also need to point out to you that I posted and have been saying Roy was SHOT since about 2004 over and over and over again. And before this fight was signed I posted that Roy had no chance. OVER AND OVER.

So I'm not a hypocrite.

So what if Pavlik would have been the same result. It would have looked better for Joe not only in terms of a prime fighter but also because JOE HIMSELF in his book said Roy was shot and not worth it and a joke and Pavlik was a much better possible opponent.

[bsrizpac]

You should just use the ignore feature. Some posters on here are just arrogant, ignorant idiots who will never be able to understand or respect somebody else's opinion if it differs from their own.

Run and hide, that's fine with me.

I respect reasonable opinions if they are backed with facts.


I respect what Samurai has said even if I don't agree with it. Grow up.