In response to the what Calzaghe's resume SHOULD have looked like thread...

[sunny31]

Firstly He doesn't have a **** resume, not fighting hopkins and jones in his prime has much to do with frank warren.

You have no knowledge of calzaghe's contractual situations during those times and to be honest it would have probably been more trouble then it was worth buying out of a contract with warren, which is the ONLY way the fight with jones would have happened.

For the record when joe did fight hopkins in the build up frank warren dd talk about the fact that he offered hopkins £2 million to fight in 2002, and hopkins has never denied this.

The thing people forget is beating an old hopkins and jones is better than not beating them at all, many people picked hopkins and jones to beat calzaghe before the fights.

The facts are Joe Calzaghe has a solid but unspectacular resume, he beat almost everyone on it very one sided, he beat good fighters very convincingly.

I can't excuse some of the Calzaghe fans on here cos some of the stuff they come out with is ludicrous, but people should have more respect for what calzaghe accomplished. Many people had a lot of hate towards floyd when he retired but thats only cos he still in his early 30's in his prime and has good opponents and I still believe he will come back, but when floyd retires for good I would not **** on him like many people have done with calzaghe. I will give floyd his dues for what he accomplished.

The negative threads about calzaghe disgust me as a boxing fan

[Sir Tom Jones]

hate is so overrated. people need to get over it.

[S A M U R A I]

I don't think you are one of them so calm down.

What hater has you on ignore?

I think you can be overly sensitive at times, but then again I know Joe gets a lot of **** on here at times, so it's whatever.

But if you've been around here for a while you know that a majority of his fans on this forum tend to be nutty.

xfiles has me on ignore, but that's OK with me.

You're right man, some of the fans on here are a bit nutty, which of course tends to give other fans a bad name. Same for a lot of Floyd fans as well. I like Calzaghe though, I think he was a very good fighter who was better than his resume suggests. In my opinion, he does get a bit too much stick. Extreme fans always take it too far, but so do the haters. These extreme views often appear to be caused by one side reacting to the other.



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[S A M U R A I]

Firstly He doesn't have a **** resume, not fighting hopkins and jones in his prime has much to do with frank warren.

You have no knowledge of calzaghe's contractual situations during those times and to be honest it would have probably been more trouble then it was worth buying out of a contract with warren, which is the ONLY way the fight with jones would have happened.

For the record when joe did fight hopkins in the build up frank warren dd talk about the fact that he offered hopkins £2 million to fight in 2002, and hopkins has never denied this.

The thing people forget is beating an old hopkins and jones is better than not beating them at all, many people picked hopkins and jones to beat calzaghe before the fights.

The facts are Joe Calzaghe has a solid but unspectacular resume, he beat almost everyone on it very one sided, he beat good fighters very convincingly.

I can't excuse some of the Calzaghe fans on here cos some of the stuff they come out with is ludicrous, but people should have more respect for what calzaghe accomplished. Many people had a lot of hate towards floyd when he retired but thats only cos he still in his early 30's in his prime and has good opponents and I still believe he will come back, but when floyd retires for good I would not **** on him like many people have done with calzaghe. I will give floyd his dues for what he accomplished.

The negative threads about calzaghe disgust me as a boxing fan

Two points I want to pick up on:

I agree that fighting Jones and Hopkins late was better than not fighting them at all. Hopkins, as far as I'm concerned, is a rare freak of nature. He's still great. For what he may lack in stamina, he makes up for with ring smarts. His experience is vast, and in my opinion he gives pretty much any fighter around his weight class a bad night. Yeah, Chad Dawson included.

Jones really wanted the Calzaghe fight. He is way past it, and I don't see him as a great win for JC, but had he NOT taken that fight he would have been accused of ducking. "Calzaghe's still a *****, he's ducking Jones" -- that's exactly what would have been said.

And I agree with your last point: hate threads disgust me as a boxing fan, and it's not only where Calzaghe is concerned, but pretty much any fighter. For example, I can't stand Floyd Mayweather (mainly because of his his personality outside the ring and the fact he considers himself greater than Robinson, etc., which I see as an insult to the true greats), and today when I logged on the first thing I saw was a Floyd hate thread which I replied to. These haters just have nothing better to do, and to be honest, I feel kinda sorry for them. If I don't like a fighter, I just don't talk about him much. I certainly wouldn't go to the effort of creating threads to try and convince his fans that my opinion is more important than theirs, that they are wrong for liking Floyd and I'm somehow superior. It's just an ******* kinda thing to do.



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[Ishy Aytan]

Hateing on fighters is pretty pathetic. If you have a reason to dislike them then theres a point. But hateing on fighters without any justification is wrong.


I think i justify not likeing Calzaghe. He's really the only fighter i severly dislike.

[bsrizpac]

Firstly He doesn't have a **** resume, not fighting hopkins and jones in his prime has much to do with frank warren.

You have no knowledge of calzaghe's contractual situations during those times and to be honest it would have probably been more trouble then it was worth buying out of a contract with warren, which is the ONLY way the fight with jones would have happened.

For the record when joe did fight hopkins in the build up frank warren dd talk about the fact that he offered hopkins £2 million to fight in 2002, and hopkins has never denied this.

The thing people forget is beating an old hopkins and jones is better than not beating them at all, many people picked hopkins and jones to beat calzaghe before the fights.

The facts are Joe Calzaghe has a solid but unspectacular resume, he beat almost everyone on it very one sided, he beat good fighters very convincingly.

I can't excuse some of the Calzaghe fans on here cos some of the stuff they come out with is ludicrous, but people should have more respect for what calzaghe accomplished. Many people had a lot of hate towards floyd when he retired but thats only cos he still in his early 30's in his prime and has good opponents and I still believe he will come back, but when floyd retires for good I would not **** on him like many people have done with calzaghe. I will give floyd his dues for what he accomplished.

The negative threads about calzaghe disgust me as a boxing fan

I've broken down these points several times, but I'll say this again:

His resume is not very good. Mostly because of his division. And honestly contractual stuff aside (where are those kinds of talks when people accuse Hopkins of ducking him) no one can convince me the SMW isn't basically garbage. I mean look at the list of his defenses from Eubank to Lacy. I can pull it out for you if you'd like. It's honestly NO very good unless you are a huge fan, biased, or just don't know much about those fighters. And all to defend what? A WBO trinket? To never push for unification bout? Who is at fault for that? Him? Sven Ottke? Frank Warren? No matter where a Calzaghe fan shifts the blame, that's fine, because my original point about the weaknesses of his overall resume still stand.


There's is a reason that Hopkins did not fight Joe, and no there was never a signed offer or anything in writing, there was a verbal yes on a phone conference that was later taken back by Hopkins. Again Hopkins reasoning is from before the middleweight unification tournament, and the fact that he was locked into what he referred to as the Don King "slave contract". He only signed with King to get into the tourney (he was being left out of it if he didn't). After he beat Tito his primary motives became securing another mega bout that would net him stardom AND cash. If he had fought Joe that would have gotten him neither (Don's cut). When he fought Hakkar he effectively screwed King and got himself out of the future fight contract.

But again, apparently none of these facts are relevant to most Calzaghe fans who started watching boxing around 06.

In the end Hopkins did the right thing for himself by getting his star making pay day against De La Hoya.

My point still stands: If Joe really wanted either of those fights earlier he would have taken the TARVER route. I hate Tarver, but the bottom line is that guy is the MODEL for all challengers or people of lesser stardom to seek out fights with champs and stars. That's how it should be done. Anything less than that, and you simply have yourself to blame.

Funny how Hatton managed to dump Warren and do what Calzaghe wouldn't until much later in his career. Why is that?

As for Jones and Hopkins fighting them is better than not fighting them at all? Why? For Name value? That's pathetic. Guess if Cotto fought Hearns today we could call Cotto a legend killer?

Roy was beyond shot. And STOP BRINGING Up that people picked Roy to win. Those people were delusional. They were either Calzaghe nuthuggers who KNEW Roy was shot and trying to bring him up so that Joe's win would look better, or delusional Roy fans that didn't realize the year was 08 and not 03. In addition bringing up the fact that people picked Roy to win in order to prove that Joe's win is good is piss poor logic. It's weak. Roy was shot, what a thousand idiots thought about it doesn't change the fact that he was shot.

[mitch12]

Thanks- but its not about Calzaghe being a bad fighter. It isn't.

It's that most of his fans seem to take some sort of ****** pills or are somehow afflicted with mental disabilities that cause them to lie and distort the truth all the time.

well your right joe isnt a bad fighter why make this pointless thread anyways just to hate on brits as usual.

[mitch12]

NO. Read my oriignal post in this thread.

Most Calzaghe fans being cowards, weak minded, and having no facts to back up their arguments just use the IGNORE button whenever facts are presented their way.

So I could not have responded or I would have.

how can you say most are talk about being a complete prick.

[bsrizpac]

Two points I want to pick up on:

I agree that fighting Jones and Hopkins late was better than not fighting them at all. Hopkins, as far as I'm concerned, is a rare freak of nature. He's still great. For what he may lack in stamina, he makes up for with ring smarts. His experience is vast, and in my opinion he gives pretty much any fighter around his weight class a bad night. Yeah, Chad Dawson included.

Jones really wanted the Calzaghe fight. He is way past it, and I don't see him as a great win for JC, but had he NOT taken that fight he would have been accused of ducking. "Calzaghe's still a *****, he's ducking Jones" -- that's exactly what would have been said.

And I agree with your last point: hate threads disgust me as a boxing fan, and it's not only where Calzaghe is concerned, but pretty much any fighter. For example, I can't stand Floyd Mayweather (mainly because of his his personality outside the ring and the fact he considers himself greater than Robinson, etc., which I see as an insult to the true greats), and today when I logged on the first thing I saw was a Floyd hate thread which I replied to. These haters just have nothing better to do, and to be honest, I feel kinda sorry for them. If I don't like a fighter, I just don't talk about him much. I certainly wouldn't go to the effort of creating threads to try and convince his fans that my opinion is more important than theirs, that they are wrong for liking Floyd and I'm somehow superior. It's just an ******* kinda thing to do.

Stamina is key to beating Calzaghe. I mean if a guy is winded by round 8 it's not exactly going to get it done, no matter what his game plan is.

Jones really wanted the Calzaghe fight. So what? Joe didn't have to take it. But he did. And that's fine he wanted an easy payday retirement fight. Let him have it. I respect that.

BUT STOP MAKING IT SOUND LIKE IT MEANT ANYTHING NUTHUGGERS.

Because if it did, let's just put Berbick > Ali while we are at it.

[Roger Mellie]

Not a day has gone by since pisspac returned from his ban when he hasnt continued with the same,tired old "I hate Calzaghe spam,and I will attempt to justify my pathetic arguments as to why he is ****e".The bloke is now retired and you are still carrying on with this ****.You accuse anyone who supports/supported him as being a nuthugger/fanboy,but I would wager that you have posted more about him than anyone else on this entire forum.How many times have you,"broken down his resume"???? do you really think anyone really cares? The closest you have probably been to a ring is when you have got your finger jammed in your hoop.

Idiot.Moron. Spineless. Coward. Know nothing. Unfunny.