kelly pavluck admits he doesnt want to fight abraham in germany!!!

[Dirk Diggler UK]

pavlik is smart to not fight in germany... its a trap

I think hes smarter to not fight Abraham lol

[Hitman932]

I mean how can a biased Brit have any objectivity in such a debate?!!!!

You are well known to have 0 objectivity.

Posts like this are the reason.

Pavlik is the only one who has narrowed the chances of the fight happening. So I dont see where else we should point the fingers.

Oh boohoo! Pavlik isn't going to go to Germany and sacrifice himself to the German judges just so you can say how they both tried really hard to make this fight.

He isn't narrowing any chances because there is 0 chance and 0 reasons for Pavlik to go to Germany. He is simply stating what everyone else already knows and here comes Dirk Diggler to point out that Pavlik is trying to sabotage Abraham's ascension to the Boxing Heavens.

Abraham has been champ 2 years longer than Pavlik and made no effort to take a tough fight much less unify the division, that's where I will point the finger when this fight doesen't happen.

[damian5000]

too many bad decisions in germany to risk losing your middleweight belt over.

Off the top of my head I can think of far more disgraceful officiating and judging in the States recently than in Germany. Toney v Oquendo... The 5:10 min round... Cintron v Martinez... Santa Cruz v Casamayor... Bute v Andrade...To name a few.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You are well known to have 0 objectivity.

Posts like this are the reason.




Oh boohoo! Pavlik isn't going to go to Germany and sacrifice himself to the German judges just so you can say how they both tried really hard to make this fight.

He isn't narrowing any chances because there is 0 chance and 0 reasons for Pavlik to go to Germany. He is simply stating what everyone else already knows and here comes Dirk Diggler to point out that Pavlik is trying to sabotage Abraham's ascension to the Boxing Heavens.

Abraham has been champ 2 years longer than Pavlik and made no effort to take a tough fight much less unify the division, that's where I will point the finger when this fight doesen't happen.

Im still waiting for the part where Im supposed to care where the fight takes place. I honestly dont and neither do I really care about either participant so you'll have to remind me who im supposed to be biased towards...lol

Abraham has said and proven he'll fight in Germany OR America. Pavlik is ruling out the fight in Germany. So Pavlik is the one narrowing options, not Abraham.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Off the top of my head I can think of far more disgraceful officiating and judging in the States recently than in Germany. Toney v Oquendo... The 5:10 min round... Cintron v Martinez... Santa Cruz v Casamayor... To name a few.

Yeah but.........errm........ummm........Holyfield-Valuev! Them damn Euro-Swiss-Germans!

[damian5000]

Yeah but.........errm........ummm........Holyfield-Valuev! Them damn Euro-Swiss-Germans!

That was a close fight that Valuev won. There was nothing fishy going on there...

I've added another..Bute v Andrade... You're able to name one (Val v Hol) that is debatable, but certainly no means a robbery or example of bad officiating/judging.

[Hitman932]

Off the top of my head I can think of far more disgraceful officiating and judging in the States recently than in Germany. Toney v Oquendo... The 5:10 min round... Cintron v Martinez... Santa Cruz v Casamayor... To name a few.

You get to watch every fight that happens in America and only the championship fights out of Germany.

I am willing to bet the German undercards that we hardly ever see are littered with bogus decisions in favor of hometown fighters.

It's not just the judges but the referees in Germany are just as bad.

For instance:

1. Stopping Abraham-Miranda for 10 minutes to fix AA's jaw. That would never fly in the USA I do not care who was fighting who.

2. Ref helping Yoan Pablo Hernandez up to his feet after getting decked by Wayne Braithwaite. Never seen a US ref help a US fighter rise from a knockdown in all my life.

3. Danny Batchelder hurting Dimitrenko badly twice with legit body blows, both times fight stopped by ref and ruled "low blows". Complete joke, Dimitrenko would have lost but they protected him.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

That was a close fight that Valuev won. There was nothing fishy going on there...

I've added another..Bute v Andrade... You're able to name one (Val v Hol) that is debatable, but certainly no means a robbery or example of bad officiating/judging.

I was being sarcastic....lol

[damian5000]

You get to watch every fight that happens in America and only the championship fights out of Germany.

I am willing to bet the German undercards that we hardly ever see are littered with bogus decisions in favor of hometown fighters.

It's not just the judges but the referees in Germany are just as bad.

For instance:

1. Stopping Abraham-Miranda for 10 minutes to fix AA's jaw. That would never fly in the USA I do not care who was fighting who.

2. Ref helping Yoan Pablo Hernandez up to his feet after getting decked by Wayne Braithwaite. Never seen a US ref help a US fighter rise from a knockdown in all my life.

3. Danny Batchelder hurting Dimitrenko badly twice with legit body blows, both times fight stopped by ref and ruled "low blows". Complete joke, Dimitrenko would have lost but they protected him.

Really? America shows the entire undercard on TV? That's news to me man.

For the first part, you're making assumptions... And in regards to the 1,2,3...Those fights are how old? How bout something recent. I've only gone a little ways back and am able to rattle off many.

[damian5000]

I think hes smarter to not fight Abraham lol

I agree. AA will walk through Pavlik. Germany or the US, it doesn't matter.