Pragmatic Criticism of Recently Retired Undefeateds

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  • javelin_fangs
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    Pragmatic Criticism of Recently Retired Undefeateds

    As some of you are aware, I'm a big Mayweather fan and a mild Calzaghe hater. I respect both of them for having beaten some great fighters and for having hall of fame worthy career accomplishments. I think it's very safe to say that Mayweather's accomplishments and level of opposition was better than Calzaghe's, but neither really came close accomplishing everything that they could have in the sport.

    My main criticism of the two is that they didn't try to break the 49-0 record. I know the 49-0 record is somewhat padded and that it'd have been more important if Calzaghe and Mayweather had fought more tough, intriguing fights rather than just fight on for the sake of reaching the record. With that caveat though, I don't really think retiring undefeated means too much if you don't have at least 50 fights.

    50 fights in a career is very possible and retiring short of that just leaves way too much time open for the critique that a fighter just retired undefeated because they wanted to remain undefeated. I think that was a secondary reason for both Mayweather and Calzaghe, but I don't think there's any doubt that it was a reason for both.

    The reason why I'm posting this is because I think too many posts on this board are about Mayweather and Calzaghe and thoughts on who they might have lost to or whatever and the fact is that we won't and/or couldn't know. That is the injustice of their retirement. They left us with the feeling that their great careers were still incomplete...even after all of their accomplishments. So, we post on message boards with wild speculation that for the most part is unfounded.
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    Didn't Lopez retire 52-0?

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    • javelin_fangs
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      #3
      Originally posted by andrewcuff
      Didn't Lopez retire 52-0?
      No. Finito Lopez was 51-0-1. And to tell you the truth much of the same criticism followed his retirement, especially in The Ring and KO magazines.

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        #4
        He retired unbeaten with over 50 pro fights though...

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        • larryx
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          #5
          49-0 is not the record in boxing..just the heavyweight record

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          • javelin_fangs
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            #6
            Originally posted by larryx
            49-0 is not the record in boxing..just the heavyweight record
            What is the record then?

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            • javelin_fangs
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              #7
              Originally posted by andrewcuff
              He retired unbeaten with over 50 pro fights though...
              Maybe I should have said unbeaten and untied. In my book, there's a big difference between being unbeaten with a tie and being unbeaten and untied. Finito Lopez was a good fighter, but he didn't win all of his fights.

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              • TheGreatA
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                #8
                Originally posted by javelin_fangs
                What is the record then?
                49-0-0 with no NC's/no decisions is the record for most fights won in a row with no blemish.

                Some fighters have been undefeated for longer but they either had draws with opponents or did not retire undefeated.

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                  Floyd's opposition has been tougher than Calzaghe's. Thats not to say that Floyd has an amazing resume because he doesn't. For his capabilities, abilities and potential, his resume is quite dissapointing really.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by TheManchine
                    49-0-0 with no NC's/no decisions is the record for most fights won in a row with no blemish.

                    Some fighters have been undefeated for longer but they either had draws with opponents or did not retire undefeated.
                    That's what I thought, but these guys were acting like that wasn't the case without giving any names or putting in Finito Lopez, who had a draw mixed in there. I hate when people just post to try and disprove one thing as opposed to actually responding to what the whole post is about.

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