My Truth On Muhammed Ali

[Banderivets]

Well personaly I never had much respect for Ali as far as his personality and outside the ring actions go.

I really believe that he was NOT a GOOD man when he was still in good health.

Maybe some people fail to see it, but there was always something about him, just wasnt right.

[Motofan]

How Ali acted WAS a discgrace, and it's the reason so many of us have never liked him. But the media needed a hero and so they made him one. So many young kids like whoever they are told to like no matter what they actually were so Ali will always be a God like figure to them. Same **** with all the ****** kids walking around with Che Guevara shirts on without knowing all of the atrocities he was responsible for. He was also a massive racist and hated Black people. Yet Tyson has a tattoo of him...****ing amazing...

[elfag]

Ali was young and dumb. Now a lot of it was for show and I think some of his rhymes and insults were not all made up by him. But he just liked the attention and wanted to work the crowd to draw up more demand.

As far as some of his racist stances and close connections with Malcolm X and Elijah Muhammad, I put it down to him behing young and easily influenced. In time he saw what was going on and switch from the Nation of Islam to become a Sunni ******. I think that maybe an apology on his part would have been nice, but otherwise I think he is a good person and as he got older his beliefs became less extreme.

[The Noose]

Frazier said Ali has never apologised to him for his remarks.

[Kris Silver]

Good topic thread starter, and points. I watched some documentaries on Ali recently and I was surprised at how differently each portraryed him. It made me realise you really do have to question how accurate merely one thing can be, and get a wider view from various sources and such.

I'm a fan of Ali and it was a great education watching, and reading up on the more negative aspects of him which are much less covered than the positive hero image.

I'm a tad surprised so many are defending him to quite the extent being seen.

I still quite like the guy, great fighter, but for me there's no 'excuses' for some of the thngs he said or done.

He said some truly, profoundly awful things to and about Joe Frazier for no good reason, and completely, publically humilated an innocent man, and demonised him.

That's a pretty awful thing, even in the game of boxing.

He was apparently quoted as saying to the KKK something to the effect of "I support your cause, dogs with dogs, blacks with blacks, and whites with whites".

I know race was a big issue then, but I'm sorry quotes like that really stick.

He also said, if a women can't cook, or re produce, then what is the point in her.

It's an unpleasant thing to have to say, but he would not have been quite so sympathised with if he were even just quite gobby these days. Which of course he is not, he is a victim of an awful disease, and a lot of folk sympathise where they may not have.

I think that's quite a reasonable point to make though will most likely get some flames.

Truly great, inspirational man particularly at certain time periods, like standing against the war. Great great fighter. But did do and say, some bad in excusable, controversial things ASWELL.

That is all.

[The_One77]

Ali was extremely generous when it came to money and helped 1000x more people than he hurt
Frazier should of been a man (for his family) and get over it.

Ali is a good person but he is human like all of us, he made his mistakes.

[goblin]

Good ****en read...Yea it kinda sucks that he treated him that way but quite honestly and as harsh as it sounds get over it...Because Frazier never ever ever will feel the pressure in and out of the ring like Ali did..Not even close. So he got death threats..Death threats to Ali in those days was like supper at 6..an everyday thing..Ali had bigger expectations than Fraizer ever did and he fulfilled them..If youre bitter about it then be bitter. So what if Ali treated him like ****? Fraiser WILL NEVER FEEL WHAT IT WAS LIKE BEING MUHAMMED ALI PERIOD.. He kicked Fraizer's ass won the trilogy, has the respect of the entire world, to the majority of the public he's known as the greatest boxer of all time, he has millions and millions and his legacy is chisled in stone for eternity..

Fraizer is known for knocking ALi down..Getting his ass kicked in the trilogy, getting obliterated by Foreman, and being a bitter.

Thats why i honestly dont care what Frazier or Ali's critics have to say..Nobody here is Ali and dont know what it was like to be him..I can only imagine what was goin through that mans head in certain aspects of his life..Just goin outside he probably thought there were snipers around waiting for him for **** sakes..Ali's positives clearly out weight the negatives and thats what matters to me most personally. Thats just me though..Thread starter i loved your read and i read it twice..

Is Joe Fraizer broke AND bitter or is he just bitter? anybody know?

[cassiusthegreat]

you see this is your problem.You took a deluded,one way,biased hatchet job of a documentary and took it as a fact


yes I am sure that muhammad ali one of the most recognizable figures in the world attended meetings of a dying organisation in the middle of the night and in the middle of nowhere

the sad thing is you took this as a fact


for every bad story there are good ones

their feud wasn't as one sided as that documentary would like to claim


joe only hates ali when it suits him he isn't consistent at all


just a few years ago he was at a basketall game with ali saying all was cool now and then just a year later he was trashing him

I see that you included that ali beat his wife.Where did you get this from the documentary also?


ali was particulary cruel to his first wife Sonji Roi around other members of the nation of islam although from what has been reported nothing more than verbal though that doesnt excuse him


I just laugh at the way they potrayed ali as a piece of **** while joe was an all round nice guy

failing to mention that joe beat his wife up pretty bad

joe is just bitter than ali won their trilogy and I genuinly believe that.Truth is his legacy needs ali more than ali's does him

ali didn't make you beat your wife joe
and he didn't make you broke


oh and I commend you on such an original thread