My Truth On Muhammed Ali

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  • Technical_Skill
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    My Truth On Muhammed Ali

    Ali's treatment of Frazier in the run up to their fight was absolutely disgraceful. To not only label Frazier as a 'Gorilla', but also claim he was 'working for the enemy' (Whites supremacists and whites against civil rights) in that time of social and political climate in racially divided America was childish, damaging and divisive. Instead of using the fight to present a unified front on favor of better conditions for working class blacks in America, Ali used common racial stereotypes of the kind the KKK and other such organisation would use, against his own kind.

    I reject the media interpretation of Ali as this leader who used boxing as a conduit to educate and inspire people to question America's involvement in the Vietnam war as well as America's own issues with race and its position in society. To myself the documentary on Thriller in Manilla showed evidence to suggest Ali was impressionable rather than a decisive human being. He was confirmed by some as a mouthpiece for the Nation of Islam, something which had been suggested in the years before. It was even stated that Ali was told to say his reason for not going to war in Vietnam concerned lines of race and that actually his own reasons had nothing to do with his core belief system and values.

    Through it all, it seems Frazier was the one who was actually the real working class black man Ali claimed he was speaking out for. Ali apparently didn't have a job in his early years, whilst Frazier worked laboriously in the fields grafting to make living, often faced by the fiercest of racism.

    It seems it was Frazier who even lent Ali money and supported Ali as he tried to gain back his boxing license after it was taken away over Vietnam.

    It appears Frazier was the one, who received death threats after Ali's cynical portrayal of him as an inside man who made money and built up a business based on betraying his own people. Frazier's children were even targeted and its seems a genuine threat of violence existed towards his family.

    All this, because Ali was scared of Frazier, he knew what Frazier could do to him and he sold himself out completely just to gain and edge in a boxing match. Thats' all this was, a boxing match, but thanks to Ali, he managed to destroy part of another human for life. Frazier cannot ever forgive him for what Ali has done to him and his family. He might say it every now and again, but Ive seen footage of him taking credit for putting Ali in his current condition and claiming its justice for what Ali done to him.

    Im sick of the media portraying Ali to be something he is clearly not, in many respects, he is a distortion, a media creation. In my eyes he is great fighter, but not a great man.

    Rant over.
  • Russian Express
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    That film almost went out of its way to make Ali look vicious. To a degree he is overly portrayed as the hero in the media. However, i think when you ballance everything else Ali did in his life which was good or honurable... it may cancel out his cruel treatment towards Frazier ...

    I might note; I attribute Ali's treatment of Frazier to being brainwashed by the NOI, they made him think that anyone who is black and doesn't take MAJOR pride in being black.... is somewhat sub-human.

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      #3
      You can't blame Ali, it was very racial America back then. Ali was influenced by Nation of Islam, this breach of Islam is not considered to even be part of Islam by most. NOI is just a black supremacist group which used Ali to teach their propaganda same with Malcom X

      Ali evetaully become Sunni ****** and didn't have any racial views like a real ******, juts like Malcolm X

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        #4
        Malcolm X was a good person, truely.

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          #5
          Originally posted by ekul_
          That film almost went out of its way to make Ali look vicious. To a degree he is overly portrayed as the hero in the media. However, i think when you ballance everything else Ali did in his life which was good or honurable... it may cancel out his cruel treatment towards Frazier ...

          I might note; I attribute Ali's treatment of Frazier to being brainwashed by the NOI, they made him think that anyone who is black and doesn't take MAJOR pride in being black.... is somewhat sub-human.


          We said the same thing

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          • Technical_Skill
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            #6
            Originally posted by ekul_
            That film almost went out of its way to make Ali look vicious. To a degree he is overly portrayed as the hero in the media. However, i think when you ballance everything else Ali did in his life which was good or honurable... it may cancel out his cruel treatment towards Frazier ...

            I might note; I attribute Ali's treatment of Frazier to being brainwashed by the NOI, they made him think that anyone who is black and doesn't take MAJOR pride in being black.... is somewhat sub-human.
            I agree about the NOI, but look at how Ali treated others in his life. His treatment of his wife was disgusting to, apparently he used to knock her about as well ( now that hasnt been confirmed as far as I have seen), he was serial womanizer though.

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            • Russian Express
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              Bro, how many heavy weight champs aren't womanizers.

              I don't agree with it, but when your the alpha male of the human race... it gets to your head and your morals.

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              • Technical_Skill
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                #8
                Originally posted by Sugar May Floyd
                You can't blame Ali, it was very racial America back then. Ali was influenced by Nation of Islam, this breach of Islam is not considered to even be part of Islam by most. NOI is just a black supremacist group which used Ali to teach their propaganda same with Malcom X

                Ali evetaully become Sunni ****** and didn't have any racial views like a real ******, juts like Malcolm X
                That makes it okay?

                Frazier's family gets death threats cos Ali tells the world he is working for the enemy.

                Frazier lends Ali money and helps Ali out, Ali returns the favor by calling him an uncle tom, a gorilla and saying Frazier was owned by white people.

                One of the most influential sports stars says these things at a time of heightened racial tension.

                But its okay cos Ali couldn't think for himself and was brainwashed?

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                • Technical_Skill
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ekul_
                  Bro, how many heavy weight champs aren't womanizers.

                  I don't agree with it, but when your the alpha male of the human race... it gets to your head and your morals.
                  What I am saying here is, he is a proven track record of betraying and lying that doesnt just apply to Frazier.

                  I mean Ali called Frazier an uncle tom, but met with the KKK for ****s sake!

                  Yet he is encouraged a this huge role model and idolised, i think some of this is totally unjustified.

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                  • MELLY-MEL...
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Technical_Skill
                    What I am saying here is, he is a proven track record of betraying and lying that doesnt just apply to Frazier.

                    I mean Ali called Frazier an uncle tom, but met with the KKK for ****s sake!

                    Yet he is encouraged a this huge role model and idolised, i think some of this is totally unjustified.
                    your correct. he is portrayed in this hero light mostly now because of his illness, and many take a blind eye about the past. defending the wrong he did as many do is just a way for them in justifing there own issues. does not make it right. he was a great fighter, and great for the sport, but he did some foul things.

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