Klitschko vs. Haye is Falling Apart, Negotiations Suspended

[Dave Rado]

You are biased because you nuthug all the Haye fans

Rubbish.

Recent example defending the Klitschkos against a Haye nuthugger:

You make it sound like they haven't fought any top heavyweights, whereas they've fought the leading competition in an admittedly weak division, and in recent fights have completely dominated their opponents. They both have incredible jabs, and have learnt how to fight tall, making it very difficult for their opponents to get inside, and allowing them to dominate from the outside. Wlad is boring to watch because he's over-cautious, due to his vulnerable chin; but has good boxing skills. Vitali is less polished but more aggressive and entertaining and has an iron chin. Both have a powerful knock-out punch. The fact that there have been no other world class (in historical terms) heavyweights for them to fight is hardly their fault, but they've both fought much better heavyweights than Haye has fought. Barrett isn't even rated in the top 20.

[Love Tunney]

Rubbish.

Recent example defending the Klitschkos against a Haye nuthugger:

LMAO come one now, you're talking about Naps. He Does NOT count.
There is no way I can take Naps seriously, sorry.

[Dave Rado]

Yes, what's more annoying than the self-confessed Klitschko haters like Randall Hopkirk and DiegoFuego, is the DISHONEST people who claim to be objective and fair, yet always side with the haters against the Klitschko fans.

I haven't sided with the haters on either side at all. First of all I didn't know the person concerned was a hater until now, I was only going on the posts I had actually read; and when I pointed out that one of the links Vit ****s posted was to a post that wasn't biased, even if the person posting it is, that wasn't siding with him, that was just pointing out a misunderstanding.

[Dave Rado]

LMAO come one now, you're talking about Naps. He Does NOT count.
There is no way I can take Naps seriously, sorry.

What's that got to do with it? The point is that I criticise biased posts from either side.

[The Hammer]

Rubbish.

Recent example defending the Klitschkos against a Haye nuthugger:

Your posting that doesn't change the fact that you side with the Haye nuthuggers when they attack the Klitschko fans. That reveals how you really feel about the Ukrainian brothers.

And I see in that post you buy into all the bollocks about 1) the Klitschkos dominating because there are no other good heavyweights and 2) Wlad being boring.

The Klitschkos dominate BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD FIGHTERS, not because the division is any weaker than it's ever been. Americans and some others don't like the idea of fighters from Eastern Europe having the titles, so they say "the division is weak"

And how is 46 KOs boring? Were Ali, Holmes and Lewis boring because they were good with their jab and technically excellent? I fully enjoy watching Wlad, I have nearly all his fights and watch them over and over again.

[Love Tunney]

What's that got to do with it? The point is that I criticise biased posts from either side.

Come on, I think we both know that Naps is not a real poster and is
someone on the wind up. He has to be, nobody in the world could
be serious about the things he comes out with.

The Poster named Emanuel Stewart, is one of the most biased
posters I have ever seen. But you don't pick up on that. How
convenient.

[Dave Rado]

Your posting that doesn't change the fact that you side with the Haye nuthuggers when they attack the Klitschko fans. That reveals how you really feel about the Ukrainian brothers.

No, it only shows what I think about certain posts from those fans in this thread - and it's only those specific posts I was objecting to, not the people posting them, and certainly not the Klitschkos themselves. I don't have anything against the fans - for example, I enjoy reading your posts, except for the biased ones. But you do post biased ones about Haye a lot, accusing him of things that you must know aren't true, like saying he wasn't willing to fight in Germany, when (a) Wlad had said he wanted the fight to be at Stamford Bridge rather than in Germany, and (b) Haye had said he was happy for the fight to be in Germany. Or accusing Haye of demanding 50/50 when he wasn't.

And I see in that post you buy into all the bollocks about 1) the Klitschkos dominating because there are no other good heavyweights

I didn't say that he only dominated because there weren't any other good heavyweights. I said that Wlad can't be blamed for the fact that there weren't any other heavyweights who were world class by historical standard. I didn't say that he'd have lost to them if there had been any, I just said it's not his fault that the division has been very weak. You are so quick to misinterpret what other people say, it's incredible. Don't be so over-sensitive. I was actually defending him, and you make it sound like I was doing the opposite.

and 2) Wlad being boring. How is 46 KOs boring? Were Ali, Holmes and Lewis boring because they were good with their jab and technically excellent?

I'm entitled to my opinion that Wlad's style is often boring nowadays. Yes his knock-outs are exciting, but in some fights he goes several rounds without throwing a single right hand or a single combination. That's not true of the other fighters you mention. If you said you found a fighter I liked boring, I wouldn't accuse you of bias, that's just a matter of opinion.

I fully enjoy watching Wlad, I have nearly all his fights and watch them over and over again.

Great, I respect that.

[joe strong]

haye vs povetkin then we would have a true #1.James toney would beat haye while eating a bucket of chicken.

[joe strong]

I've read racist remarks on this topic when color has nothing to do with who is going to win.I won't mention names but it sounds like some of the guys who write in never heard the story of Adam & eve,they sound like they know the story of Adam & Steve pretty good thou.is there really a guy who calls himself nuthugger? LOL! Whoever that is should be watching & posting in on a figure skating site. He probably watches dancing with the stars.I don't really care who wins the fight but a few of you haye fans who don't like white people should start realizing color doesn't matter & get rid of your mr.t startup kits(big gold chain)& just enjoy some good fights.white,black,red,yellow.we are all one race"the human race".all I know is wlad took years to get in the position he's in now so why should haye get a free ride.when Holyfield unified the cruiserweight titles he won 7 hw fights including 2 wins over former world champs before he got his shot against Douglas(shouldve been Tyson)haye couldn't carry holyfields jockstrap when he was in his prime.haye is living of a win over enzo maccaranelli.

[mathed]

Arreola would make a nice match for wlad, after he loses 60 lbs or so. He can hit but would be drained after 3 rds weighing 375.

Haye would have been a great fight