p4p hatton v. pavlik

[badboypeenoy]

can you please try to justify how Pavlik's resume, outside of Taylor and Miranda, dwarfs Hatton's?

This isn't a question of whose resume is better, rather it's a question of who wins P4P at this point in their careers. Pavlik has shown more chin, more power, and a more active work rate (outside B-Hop). Pavlik has the amateur background and the style to keep Hatton at bay. I seriously think Pavlik beats Hatton P4P.

There is no question that their records/resume is a good gauge of their worth as a fighter and even there somebody like Lazcano and Collazo gave Hatton problems and was KOed before. Pavlik have beed dropped before but got up and KOed the guys that dropped him, he wasn't KOed like Hatton was. Pavlik also only had problems with B-Hop and between B-Hop and Collazo, I think B-Hop a far better fighter and I mean faaar better.

[mitch12]

say what?
hatton has beaten who?????

pavlik ko'd prime taylor, and miranda..... that alone is more than hattons bull**** resume

what the **** is with your bull**** ricky hate its ****ing annoying

[badboypeenoy]

what the **** is with your bull**** ricky hate its ****ing annoying

Annoying yeah, but you have to admit he has a point. Maussa, Tszyu = shot, Castillo = shot and going up in weight. Taylor, Miranda = prime

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Going at Pavlik is not the way to beat him so stylistically, it's not the best fight for Hatton, but the head movement and little steps to the side would give Pavlik trouble, I don't think Hatton would be able to avoid getting hit by Pavlik's right hands though so I think pound for pound, Pavlik would knock Hatton out. It's just a stylistic thing, Hatton is probably the more skilled fighter overall.

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This isn't a question of whose resume is better, rather it's a question of who wins P4P at this point in their careers. Pavlik has shown more chin, more power, and a more active work rate (outside B-Hop). Pavlik has the amateur background and the style to keep Hatton at bay. I seriously think Pavlik beats Hatton P4P.

There is no question that their records/resume is a good gauge of their worth as a fighter and even there somebody like Lazcano and Collazo gave Hatton problems and was KOed before. Pavlik have beed dropped before but got up and KOed the guys that dropped him, he wasn't KOed like Hatton was. Pavlik also only had problems with B-Hop and between B-Hop and Collazo, I think B-Hop a far better fighter and I mean faaar better.

This post exposes how little boxing knowledge you have BBP.

Pavlik has fought at world level twice, taylor has a 50% KO rate, he's not a massive puncher by anybodies measure so to say he has a better chin is foolhardy because frankly he hasn't been in with anyone with world class power. hatton on the other hand has been in with Tzsyu one of the most devastating punchers ever in his weight class, has been down twice in his career and got up to win once.

Most prospects fresh on the world scene has high KO % and after a few years it drops down, lets judge kelly's power after a few fights agibst decent people, in 4 fights against top 10 ranked fighters he has 2 stoppages. Hatton in 8 has 4.

PBF > Bhop P4P at the time of teh two fights as losses.

Tzsyu win>Taylor 1

Castillio > taylor 2

Collazo, Malinaggi, Lazcano, Urango> Miranda.

Eemon Magee > Anything else on pavliks resume.

The idea that Lazcano (the top LW contender for 5-6 years I might add) had hatton in trouble show how little objectivity you show, he had 30 seconds on top in a 12 round fightand got battered 11-1 on most peoples scorecard.

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Annoying yeah, but you have to admit he has a point. Maussa, Tszyu = shot, Castillo = shot and going up in weight. Taylor, Miranda = prime

Tzsyu 6 months after his best win, Ranked 3 P4P = NOT SHOT

Castillio beaten once in 6 years, ranked 9 P4P = NOT SHOT.

Taylor = disputed wins over Hopkinsx2, draw with Winky, SD with Corey. You are not convincing me that he was this overpowering distructive machine that either Castillio or tzsyu was.

As for Miranda.... He's fought in 1 Title fight ever, don't try and sell him like he's a world beater.

[badboypeenoy]

This post exposes how little boxing knowledge you have BBP.

Pavlik has fought at world level twice, taylor has a 50% KO rate, he's not a massive puncher by anybodies measure so to say he has a better chin is foolhardy because frankly he hasn't been in with anyone with world class power. hatton on the other hand has been in with Tzsyu one of the most devastating punchers ever in his weight class, has been down twice in his career and got up to win once.

Don't worry I'm not even pretending to be a boxing genius like you.

Miranda has a higher KO rate that Tszyu and Miranda was in his prime when he fought Pavlik. Tszyu was also shot, old, had surgery and practically retired after the Hatton fight, if Hatton beat a prime Tszyu, your argument would have had weight.

If Tszyu isn't shot he would've still fought after the Hatton fight wouldn't he?

Most prospects fresh on the world scene has high KO % and after a few years it drops down, lets judge kelly's power after a few fights agibst decent people, in 4 fights against top 10 ranked fighters he has 2 stoppages. Hatton in 8 has 4.

The numbers are deceiving. Pavlik's 2 KO's were against Taylor and Miranda, both in their primes. Hatton's 4 KO's were against powder-puff punching Malignaggi, shot fighters Tszyu and Maussa and a shot Castillo who was going up in weight.

Pavlik has KOed all but three of the fighters he faced, a mix of tough Mexicans, Colombians and Americans. Hatton has faced mostly Brits about 10 of whom had more losses than wins and his pre-P4P KO ratio isn't even close to Pavlik's.

Again

PBF > Bhop P4P at the time of teh two fights as losses.

Tzsyu win>Taylor 1

Castillio > taylor 2

Collazo, Malinaggi, Lazcano, Urango> Miranda.

Eemon Magee > Anything else on pavliks resume.

Bhop had a better resume than PBF before they fough Pavlik and Hatton respectively.

Tszyu was shot and just fought for retirement pay, Taylor was in his prime.

A shot Castillo now fights in exhibition matches in Mexico, Taylor is still trying for a title in heavier division and has just won in a title eliminator.

Collazo, Malinaggi, Lazcano, Urango = total record = 104wins (64byKO) -6losses(2 by KO)-2 draws

Miranda, Zertuche, Lockett, Zuniga = total record = 94wins (85byKO) -6losses(none by stoppage)-3 draws

Eemon Magee > Anything else on pavliks resume. Whatever you say

The idea that Lazcano (the top LW contender for 5-6 years I might add) had hatton in trouble show how little objectivity you show, he had 30 seconds on top in a 12 round fightand got battered 11-1 on most peoples scorecard.

And Hatton was saved by the UK ref on a one-minute shoe-string time-out, when Hatton was holding on for dear life.

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How in the hell did this thread turn into 14 pages? The troll thread starter needs some kind of achievement for generating all these responses.

[Mozza]

Hatton's a better boxer.

[P4P Opinion]

Are we talking about a mythical match-up or who has achieved more?

I don't know about a match-up and I don't think we can know. Hatton has achieved far more than Pavlik and this is coming from someone who doesn't like Hatton. If you seriously think Pavlik has done more then you don't know boxing.

Pavlik has an excellent resume for a relatively short career thus far. The only two significant victories on his resume are the Taylor fights though. Miranda has and always will be a terrible fighter who has got far on power alone.