From a Margarito fan...

[nathan_nall]

I guess me and you have diffrent deffinitions for what a cheater is...

A cheater to me is a coward...and a coward by deffinition has No Heart.

If he had HEART he wouldnt be in the spot he is in right now...He would of called Capetillo out...

Capetillo made a coward out of Margarito...Even if margo didnt know...Ignorance is never an excuse...

How much Heart does it show to let your "Father Figure" take the blame for something you know damn well you had full knowledge of...

F this guy...I have no sympathy or kind words for him...He's a cheater and should be ostrosized ...he is an embarrasment to all the mexican warriors that showed what REAL HEART and WILL was all about....

Excuse me if i don't have any Fluffy Feelings for this man.

It does come down to our definitions of a cheater. I looked it up, just for kicks on Miriam-Webster Online. Neather cheater, nor coward, say anything about lack of heart. And I'm not trying to absolve Toni of wrongdoing, nor do I have Fluffy Feelings for him. Other than a phone interview 2 years ago, I've never even had contact with Margarito.

The question is, does he lack HEART?... I think having never quit during a fight and having never let up or backed away is a much better representation of heart (and the lack thereof) than cheating. Our disagreements is symantics only, otherwise we're on the same page.

Except, iggnorance never being an excuse. Ignorance should never be an excuse used by the person who was ignorant, but for the rest of the world, we have to have mercy on people who truly were ignorant (and I'm not saying that Margarito was, just that there is a definite posibility to those who are slightly above the intelligence curve)

[boxing_fan75]

he is cheat and nothing else and has NO LEGACY. He could of ruined Cotto's career. He cheated against them all...

He went from losing to Rodney Jones to beating legends...

CHEATER!

paquiao went from getting ko'd and losing to nobodies in a tiny island to where he is now, did he cheat as well? JLC lost several fights early and will go down as one of the greatest mexican fighters did he cheat as well? geez the logic some of you guys use is garbage!

[Pullcounter]

paquiao went from getting ko'd and losing to nobodies in a tiny island to where he is now, did he cheat as well? JLC lost several fights early and will go down as one of the greatest mexican fighters did he cheat as well? geez the logic some of you guys use is garbage!

well, to be fair, pac and jlc have never been caught cheating

[BOOMbip]

It does come down to our definitions of a cheater. I looked it up, just for kicks on Miriam-Webster Online. Neather cheater, nor coward, say anything about lack of heart. And I'm not trying to absolve Toni of wrongdoing, nor do I have Fluffy Feelings for him. Other than a phone interview 2 years ago, I've never even had contact with Margarito.

The question is, does he lack HEART?... I think having never quit during a fight and having never let up or backed away is a much better representation of heart (and the lack thereof) than cheating. Our disagreements is symantics only, otherwise we're on the same page.

Except, iggnorance never being an excuse. Ignorance should never be an excuse used by the person who was ignorant, but for the rest of the world, we have to have mercy on people who truly were ignorant (and I'm not saying that Margarito was, just that there is a definite posibility to those who are slightly above the intelligence curve)

I understand where you are coming from and see that we are fundamentally both posting the same thought just getting it across in a diffrent way...

I just want to add that To me...looking for the edge is showing lack of heart...If you are confident in you skills and heart there is no reason to look for the shortcut and trying to add an edge to your game...To me that is the equivalent of BEER Muscles...Of course he showed Heart in the ring...Because he had something boosting his confidence...IE HEART.


And having and Edge is Something that Margarito apparently had no quarrell with...Be it with the gloves...Or being that he was enourmous for his division (not saying theres anything wrong with the later just showing a pattern)


Also on the little bit about Iggnorance...Margarito is never going to be truley 100% innocent...because even if he had no idea about what was in his wraps...it is his job to make sure that everything within his camp is being run correctly ...he pays the bills...he's the boss... it's not the other way around...
you are responsible for what goes on under your roof...

If he would man up to this...I would at least give him credit for that much...Yea Margs you ****ed up big time...But at least your man enough to admitt what you did or let happen was wrong...Then i would and would be the first to ask for a mercifull public.

But you have to show some copability for your actions...Don't just faine iggnorance...and displace blame....

Don't let the man that you so lovingly call your "Father Figure" take this full on his shoulders...theres plenty of blame to go around...and it starts at the top.

[nathan_nall]

well, to be fair, pac and jlc have never been caught cheating

Very true... but he was just responding to the claim that losing to nobodies and THEN winning against elites is a dead giveaway for a cheater. But you are right, they have never been CAUGHT cheating... who knows, but this is something that people haven't figured out about boxing. I'm no expert but I've actually taken a more active part in the sport than just watching TV and reading websites... and one thing for sure... boxing is NOT clean sport.. Hell, it never was... wraps, roids, contracts, negotiations... there are a million ways people seek advantages over their opponents. Very few of them are admirable. The wraps are a disgrace... but I'm in the minority that thinks Shane's steroid use during the De La Hoya bouts is a disgrace... Hopkins openly admitting to using illegal tactics as an advantage is a disgrace... When Jeff Lacy said he tackled an opponent on purpose when he was stunned... is a disgrace. Everything GOLDEN BOY PROMOTIONS is a disgrace

[boxing_fan75]

well, to be fair, pac and jlc have never been caught cheating

neither had margarito and cotto had never been beat before either There's more cheaters that don't get caught then do.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

I have to be real for a second here. I was a big fan of Margarito because he was such a hard worker and his style in the ring was very exciting. Now that all of this has come out, he has tarnished his name forever.

Let's just say for the sake of argument that he didn't wrap his hands illegally against Cintron or Cotto or any other opponent before Mosley, nobody will ever believe he didn't do it.

It's sad because he has had such a great career and being only 30 still has a good few years in his prime in the sport. I don't think that he will ever bounce back from this and it's a shame that it had to come to this.

I'm very disappointed in Marg and his trainer especially and I can't believe that Marg wasn't aware of what was going on being he and his trainer were so tight.

His performance against Cotto was epic and we will never know if he had illegally wrapped his hands that was in that fight but now it doesn't matter. I have lost all respect for Margarito because of this and it's a shame that it had to go down like this.

If there's a slim chance that his trainer was doing this without Marg knowing or understanding it, then he should immediately fire his trainer and separate himself from him forever but I believe in my heart that he knew what was up.

class homie.......respect

[cortdawg25]

i disagree; the hands - getting harder and harder as the fight goes on gives you a psychotic mental edge. Trust that man loaded his gloves against cotto - which was the fight that would propel him to future 7 figga paydays if he wins; it was the fight to have to win. Money is the greatest motivator, and margo had a lot to lose in not winning that one.

Its just logic.

It's been said before, fighting is 10% physical 90% mental and if a loaded glove'd margarito has the x-factor knowing that his punches are getting harder as the fight goes on - it diminished everything that man's done in the ring.

Imo - i'm glad he probably wont ever be heard from again; the dude's a certified cheater.

good riddance....he never done nothing in the ring besides that cotto theft anyways. Dude was more hype than fighter anyways!

[MANGLER]

He had to have known what Cap was doin before the SSM fight, but that still don't mean he's done it before. But his rep is stained and nobody will believe him so it's moot at this point. It sucks cuz it's bad for boxing and he was just startin to get his career on the fast track, but he brought it on himself.

[baya]

I don't care if you have a lucky charm that boosts your moral or Psyche 100%, it's not going to help your chin.

He's guilty, *** him but I can't say for sure what he did in the past. Doesn't matter though, his career is all but over unless he comes back after the year and shocks everyone.

his chin is not in question here; that's a point not up for debate.