Hatton, Froch, Macca React To Calzaghe's Retirement

[Chase8400]

I imagine Froch saying that while eagerly holding back his tears from falling down his face.[IMG]http://i683.***********.com/albums/vv196/Puntoyhauf/froch-weigh-in.jpg[/IMG]

But he's right at some point, Froch doesn't need Calzaghe... what he need is to prove himself more against top opponents available, make more exciting fights so people would continue to gain interests in his fights and make a name for himself. Riding on a popular boxer's name won't establish respect from fight fans nor his fellow boxers.

I don't know who you are and cannot say you always make sense, but I sure approve of the awesome graffix. Keep em' comin'. -Chase.

[Chase8400]

Froch has done jack **** to even condesend to speak about Joe. Regardless of what you think about joe, it does not matter, and it is a fact that froch has done **** to earn the right to run his mouth.

I agree to an extent Mel. The thing is that we both know this method gets the job done. See Tarver-Jones, Hatton-Mayweather and Haye-Klitschko for recent examples. Froch knows if he keeps it up, eventually he will get his ride in the Calzaghe show. The problem is that if it's any time soon he will wish he had not made the mistake of pissing Joe off. In a few years after some good wins, he may stand a chance once Joe has deteriorated a little.

[Chase8400]

You just proved you don't know ****. Jones moved out of the SMW division a whole year before Calzaghe even won a belt. Around 2000 Calzaghe and Warren also made offers to Jones. Roy didn't want to know, because (apparently) Calzaghe wasn't a big enough name. Look through the BBC archives and find plenty of reading on the matter. Joe tried. Roy refused. As did Hopkins in 2002.

Who are these "old men" that he barely beat? Hopkins -- the top 5 P4P Ring belt holder who schooled Pavlik just a short time later? Jones -- who he won 11 rounds against? Who else?

Are you sad that he didn't fight Dawson, the kid who just fought two 40 year-old's and arguably lost against one of them, then called out the 36 year-old Calzaghe on his Old-Age-Pensioner Triple Whammy Attack Tour?

How about if Calzaghe had fought the 40 year-old Johnson... would that have made you think differently of Calzaghe? No, still you'd say he only beats up old men.

LOL. He unified SMW and won the Ring belt at LH. Did you not realize?

As for the rest of your gibberish... ah forget it.

Errrrr, ummmmmmm. Read my link in my signature for actual clarification. Calzaghe never tried to make a fight with Jones at any weight. If he had, he would have been willing to face the best P4P fighter in the US, kinda like Hatton did.

I am impressed with the 46-0 record retirement, but when you look into it people will see that there was no single win in there that was that impressive other than Kessler in hind sight. He will be remembered for holding a title for a long time facing easy mandatiries and old greats. Not too much more, I'm afraid. And to think, it could have been so much more. Joe could have really made his mark but he chose to stay at home and milk a single title belt until he was too old to turn it up and build a legacy. If he were to stay around long enough to beat Dawson, Froch and Glenn Johnson, he will have made a good mark. But retiring now sells his career short. Very short, I'm afraid.

[SHB]

Froch and Johnson ADD to his legacy? In what conceivable way? See, I can understand the Dawson argument but the other two wouldn't even make his Top 10.

[uk gooner]

froch the ****

froch has done nothing an fought noone and wants to shut his big mouth an show some respect,he is to joe calzaghe what junior witter is to ricky hatton,an absolute nobody,an if the prick fights kessler he gets stopped,simple as that,he will get found out to be the big mouth **** he realy is

[Chuckguy]

Froch and Johnson ADD to his legacy? In what conceivable way? See, I can understand the Dawson argument but the other two wouldn't even make his Top 10.

man I would love to know what better top 10 you have over Glencoff Johnson
Heis the ROAD WARRIOR man. Ill give him Kessler, and Hopkins
and thats it
JOnes too Old, Lacy a product of American Hype as well as Manfredo
its ok Ill wait while you come up withe the 10 best

PLain and simple those fights arent worth the risk for Joe. He was a very good fighter but great Hell no.

Its best for Joe to keep his undefeated record and that will make him a sure HOFer.

If he loses then he is a bum.
Go out quietly Joe but STAY THE **** OUT!

[FLY TY]

say what you want about froch, but i'm riding with him on his assessment of the hopkins-calzaghe fight..............

[Kris Silver]

Errrrr, ummmmmmm. Read my link in my signature for actual clarification. Calzaghe never tried to make a fight with Jones at any weight. If he had, he would have been willing to face the best P4P fighter in the US, kinda like Hatton did.

Chase you've said this before and I've picked you up on it, because you speak as if you talking fact when your not. If anything a lot suggests Joe was up for it certainly a lot more than Roy, and a lot more actual articles and quotes demonstrate so, contrary to the mere one you persist on only mentioning which makes you look quite biased and choiceful with info.

I'm not wanting to get into a row over this as I agree with a lot of people whom maturely accept it just didn't happen, and no one party is purely to blame. You kinda half accepted that once, back stepped and said you don't really think Joe completely didn't want any of Roy and just say it for some reason because your dubious, and appreciated some actual solid info I linked you. But here you are running your mouth off again as if it's fact, when it's not, and not even backed up with anything. I like you, but please, enough already it makes you look bad;

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203503

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/wales/921983.stm

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=13708

"I have no fear whatsoever of Jones... I would jump on the next plane to the States and defend my title against him in his own backyard if the opportunity arose," he said. "

"I am the best super-middleweight in the world and I am out to prove that I am the best fighter on the planet. If Jones disagrees, lets get it on," he said.

"Jones is supposed to be the best fighter in the world at the moment. A showdown between us has got to happen to prove who is the best."




Now I'm not saying he chased it hard, or didn't contradict himself at some other times. But it's pretty cynical to say all of those quotes from different times, Joe was talking **** with zero intention of really wanting to face Jone, and only believe the one quote you choicefully only ever point out. Why say things way more often on wanting to face Roy if you had zero real interest or intention of doing it if possible? You'd look a fool if Roy responded and said ok lets get it on, which he didn't.

I don't want to get in a row over the matter Chase, and I don't believe 100% in anything one thing as it's naive and over confident, dismissive, and is what your doing. There's more such articles and quotes on Joe being seriously interested, willing and calling out Roy on that fight and he got little response. If Roy woulda said ok, and then Joe backed out or it didn't happen, or Roy offered and it didn't happen, maybe I'd credit your one sided view more. But as it stands, it really isn't as one sided as you really seem to like to believe. Get over it, it just didn't happen ok.

[Wrighty]

If Froch evens fights Kessler he will get KTFO and maybe then he will realise that he isn't even fit to lace Calzaghe's gloves. I'm not trying to use the whole triangle theory but in this case its true. The way that Joe beat Kessler then the froch fight would be an embarassing shutout. I also like to see how Froch would do against Hopkins.

[Puntoyhauf]

Errrrr, ummmmmmm. Read my link in my signature for actual clarification. Calzaghe never tried to make a fight with Jones at any weight. If he had, he would have been willing to face the best P4P fighter in the US, kinda like Hatton did.

I am impressed with the 46-0 record retirement, but when you look into it people will see that there was no single win in there that was that impressive other than Kessler in hind sight. He will be remembered for holding a title for a long time facing easy mandatiries and old greats. Not too much more, I'm afraid. And to think, it could have been so much more. Joe could have really made his mark but he chose to stay at home and milk a single title belt until he was too old to turn it up and build a legacy. If he were to stay around long enough to beat Dawson, Froch and Glenn Johnson, he will have made a good mark. But retiring now sells his career short. Very short, I'm afraid.

Chase you've said this before and I've picked you up on it, because you speak as if you talking fact when your not. If anything a lot suggests Joe was up for it certainly a lot more than Roy, and a lot more actual articles and quotes demonstrate so, contrary to the mere one you persist on only mentioning which makes you look quite biased and choiceful with info.

I'm not wanting to get into a row over this as I agree with a lot of people whom maturely accept it just didn't happen, and no one party is purely to blame. You kinda half accepted that once, back stepped and said you don't really think Joe completely didn't want any of Roy and just say it for some reason because your dubious, and appreciated some actual solid info I linked you. But here you are running your mouth off again as if it's fact, when it's not, and not even backed up with anything. I like you, but please, enough already it makes you look bad;

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203503

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/wales/921983.stm

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=13708

"I have no fear whatsoever of Jones... I would jump on the next plane to the States and defend my title against him in his own backyard if the opportunity arose," he said. "

"I am the best super-middleweight in the world and I am out to prove that I am the best fighter on the planet. If Jones disagrees, lets get it on," he said.

"Jones is supposed to be the best fighter in the world at the moment. A showdown between us has got to happen to prove who is the best."




Now I'm not saying he chased it hard, or didn't contradict himself at some other times. But it's pretty cynical to say all of those quotes from different times, Joe was talking **** with zero intention of really wanting to face Jone, and only believe the one quote you choicefully only ever point out. Why say things way more often on wanting to face Roy if you had zero real interest or intention of doing it if possible? You'd look a fool if Roy responded and said ok lets get it on, which he didn't.

I don't want to get in a row over the matter Chase, and I don't believe 100% in anything one thing as it's naive and over confident, dismissive, and is what your doing. There's more such articles and quotes on Joe being seriously interested, willing and calling out Roy on that fight and he got little response. If Roy woulda said ok, and then Joe backed out or it didn't happen, or Roy offered and it didn't happen, maybe I'd credit your one sided view more. But as it stands, it really isn't as one sided as you really seem to like to believe. Get over it, it just didn't happen ok.

"I'm not really interested in a Roy Jones fight anymore because the guy is shot. He was a great fighter but not any more... Roy's resistance has gone now. After I beat Lacy, Showtime pleaded me not to touch Roy Jones" -Joe Calzaghe to Mick Gill, September 2006 BOXING MONTHLY