the only past great to beat Floyd would be?

[Dynamite Kid]

Floyd has the ability to beat all the other ATG's in his weight.

Fighting harder opponents brings out the best in fighters like Floyd and i seriously believe his ring intelligence helps him beat many other ATG's.

I dont get this.

If anything Floyd has looked more beatable against the better opponents he has faced.

Judah,Castillo,DLH

[wmute]

Hmmmm, very interesting that you claim Pryor wasn't on level of Leonard or Hearns.

Maybe he didn't achieve as much as they did in terms of legacy, but when they were all in their prime i think Pryor was on the level of both fighters . But what people forget is Pryor was never defeated in his prime.

Was the number #1 lighweight contender but the was avoided so moved up to the Lw division, were he stopped hall of famer Antonio Cervantes in 4 for the WBA title, and would go on to make 8 title defecnes and in those defences stopped the great Alexis Arguello x2 and then would go on to win the IBF title and make a defence.

In my mind he was also avoided my Ray Lenoard, people even say Ray moved up a weight class to avoided Pryor in the amature's. And also he would never accept the challage of Pryor.

It just such a shame that drugs got hold of Aaron Pryor, because i belive The Hawk could of been up there with the likes of Leanord, Armsrotng, Greb, Robinson etc if drugs had not got hold of him.

He also beat Thomas Hearns in the Golden Glove final(Amature), and i think he could of beat Tommy in his prime in the pro ranks.

Your avater shows a Ring Magzine cover, the same Ring Magzine that done a list The 80 Best Fighters of the Last 80 Years in 2003 - in which they ranked Aaron Pryor number #35 and Thomas Hearns number #67. 32 Places, so Ring also think Pryor had a better legacy.

So to say Pryor was not on the level of Hearns and Leonard in his prime is a pretty silly comment.

I have no problem with having Hearns and Pryor on the same level. No problem at all. I might disagree, not even sure, but I don't have a problem.

However -and let me play wpink1 here, who probably won't show up since SRL is not in the thread title (bait to you wpink :P )-

Leonard is on a whole different level than Pryor. Leonard proved on the battlefield that he can do very different thigns to win against top opposition. That is what separates the very top of all time greats from other fighters IMO.

[wmute]

P4p maybe. But as is we can only compare them for a hypothetical fight at a weight (147) they both fought at. At that weight the only advantage I give Floyd is defense and a slight edge in speed. Tommy was a better body puncher, had a better jab, had avantages in reach and hieght and was an offensive juggernaut. Floyd was a 1 or 2 punch guy who hardly ever opened up at this weight.

I agree, wasn't it clear from my post?

[JAB5239]

I agree, wasn't it clear from my post?

Lol, I may have misinterpeted a part of your post. My bad.

[andrewcuff]

I cold see Floyd beating Whitaker, SRL, Duran, Pryor, and all the other greats of the last era around 147 lbs.

Why exactly?

[wmute]

Lol, I may have misinterpeted a part of your post. My bad.

Lol, no prob, sometimes my english is not super clear.

[LondonRingRules]

Leonard is on a whole different level than Pryor. Leonard proved on the battlefield that he can do very different thigns to win against top opposition. That is what separates the very top of all time greats from other fighters IMO.

** Pryor and Leonard both would beat the ugly out of prettyboy and make it look easy just to keep it on topic.

Plenty of other fighters to beat him too, or at least cause a LOT of problems. Floydy's welter resume is really weak and tiny overall. Taking on Oscar under Oscar's conditions is worth noting, but for the money he got, most fighters would go out on their shields against Godzilla, but I digress.

Pryor had very underrated boxing abilities that you can see in the first Arguello fight. Check out the later rounds when he rests by "boxing." The way Pryor set up the finish has been buried under the controversy of the "black bottle."

Pryor chose to fight in a more open frenetic fashion because it suited his personality, but he could change up things when sufficiently motivated as Alexis put him in that first fight. I regard that fight as the most brilliant overall fight I've ever seen on so many levels. Neither Alexis nor Aaron get near enough credit for it.

Pryor could never win points or fame just boxing as Pryor, so like Marvin, he chose the KO route to a greater degree like any self respecting monster would. I can understand how some would rate Leonard over him because of stylistic or competition preferences, but Pryor could do whatever it took to win as good as anyone in the history of the biz in his prime. He was just too dangerous on the risk/reward factor for many and that hampered him.

[krispy kreme]

Floyd beats Hearns and Leonard.


Aaaron Pryor gives Floyd a run for his money.

How the fuck does Pryor give Floyd a harder fight than Leonard and Hearns. Pryor was great, but he held his chin high and got hit a lot. He was also smaller and less skilled than both Leonard and Hearns, you don't know ****.

[xfiles]

Gayweather has NEVER beat a welterweight great or even a real welterweight besides fishnets and he was way past his best. Mayweather is scared to fight real welterweights because he knows he would get beat. Why do you think he retired?

[Jim Jeffries]

I dont get this.

If anything Floyd has looked more beatable against the better opponents he has faced.

Judah,Castillo,DLH

But Floyd looked amazing against Gatti.

I guess the fact that Gatti was a 33 year old, C class fighter, 14 years blocking punches with his face, 2 weight classes above his best weight, already stopped twice and beaten 6 times, once against Mickey Ward etc, means nothing to someone with half of Floyd's rod down their throat.