Hatton vs Pacquiao: Dont Be Suprised If Hatton Wins

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  • S A M U R A I
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    #51
    Originally posted by Chunk
    Oh dear, and Steve Forbes isn't very good by the way. IMO Oscar is shot and i know you've got your Pacquiao tinted glasses on so it's all good.

    Hopefully it's a good fight any road.

    P.S, i love you.
    I love you too. LOL.

    I know Steve Forbes isn't the exactly the GOAT, but he is not a truly terrible fighter, and I don't think he's ever been knocked down (clarification needed on this), so he's pretty durable, skills are pretty good, etc. All I'm saying is if Oscar was as shot as people make him out to be then even Forbes could have had at least a little success. "Shot" to me is something like Graham Earl vs. Amir Khan! Dude is a walking cabbage, bless him. It took the (brutal) Katsidis fight to do that.

    I just don't see how Oscar became shot man, I really don't.



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    • larr12
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      #52
      never knocked down Samurai

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      • S.G.
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        #53
        in the middle distance while Hatton's trying to get on the inside, he will be punished severely by Pac

        i'm giving Hatton a chance at the upset, but to me everything points towards a Pacman KO/TKO victory

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          #54
          Originally posted by S.G.
          in the middle distance while Hatton's trying to get on the inside, he will be punished severely by Pac
          Unless he moves away from the left lead and jabs.

          Watch what happens to manny when someone does that, Marquez gave him boxing lessons by doing that. Hatton can move away from the left, and lead in or smother.

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            #55
            Originally posted by Man In Black
            It's nothing to do with Oscar being "shot".

            Oscar was weak at the weight and poorly prepped.

            Here's the inescapable. When the naturally much bigger man enters the ring a pound under the pipsqueak on fight night...you know something is not right.
            Now this, I can get along with. Weight was most likely an issue. "Shot" just isn't the right term.

            The mind boggles at how Oscar could allow the weight to be a problem. He employed great dietitians and fitness trainers, plus he has a enough experience to know better than to allow the weight to **** him up like that.

            Still, I don't like to hear excuses. Oscar didn't make any, nor did his team. Credit to Pac for a beautiful performance, and of course to Roach for a great game plan.



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              #56
              Originally posted by Technical_Skill
              Unless he moves away from the left lead and jabs.

              Watch what happens to manny when someone does that, Marquez gave him boxing lessons by doing that. Hatton can move away from the left, and lead in or smother.
              Marquez is a much more graceful and clever fighter than Hatton

              and Marquez still lost.

              Pacman's handspeed is looking absolutely devistating at these higher weights, and i think he'll easily be quick enough to catch Hatton flush and repeatedly while he's trying to establish his inside game

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                #57
                Originally posted by larr12
                never knocked down Samurai
                Thanks, Larr.



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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Man In Black
                  You are correct. Pac really is much smarter than the vast majority of his fans.
                  Hmmm OK? So you agree that Pac is smarter than you ... I mean NVM...

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by S.G.
                    Marquez is a much more graceful and clever fighter than Hatton

                    and Marquez still lost.
                    Pacquaio got the decision, some say it was lucky.

                    And Hatton carries more weight in his shots than marquez, Manny is the favorite in my eyes, but if he starts taking a few body shots or he cant get away from hatton, then he is in serious trouble.

                    Hatton just needs to move away from the left, he doesnt need the boxing IQ of marquez to do that.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Technical_Skill
                      Why are people talking like this fight will be a forgone conclusion? I got alot of respect for Manny and have no problem in him being the favorite, his speed, power and performance at the higher weights rightly means he is getting the respect he deserves in the pre fight build up. But people are concentrating too much on Hatton's flaws and not looking at the issues with Pacquaio.

                      1) Pacquiao is not Floyd Mayweather Jr, I dont think Ricky Hatton will ever fight against anyone with that level of skill ever again. Simply referring to the mayweather fight as proof a quick fighter will destroy hatton doesnt wash. Mayweather's timing was on another level to anyone else and he was alot more effective on the inside then hatton expected. When ricky was able to close distance on Floyd and get inside, he met a series of elbows, forearms and a fighter who would shoulder roll to create space and counter on the inside. I highly doubt pacquaio possess the threat to hatton on the inside that floyd did.

                      2) If Hatton gets Inside Pacquaio how will Manny cope? Im expecting moments in the fight where Hatton is going to close distance on Pacquaio, how will he cope as hatton comes in with the smothering, bodyshots, rough-house tactics, is he slick enough to not get hit and manovure his way out of there unscathed?

                      3) What happens If Ricky moves away from the left hand? To me Pac isnt as quick to fire the shots if a guy isnt right in the line of the left hand lead. Marquez used this to his advantage by moving away from the left hand, effectivley shutting down pac's output, then planting jabs and right hands on him. If ricky moves away from the left, is pacquiao going to have a plan B this time?

                      I think Ricky is being underestimated due to fact that people neglect the damage he could do to pacquiao once inside, ricky isnt going to be the stationary target oscar de la hoya was, he is actually quite quick in cutting down distance and coming in with lead hooks. I agree that Pacquiao is most likely the favorite if the fight is fought on the outside, but if Hatton backs him up, he could win the fight.
                      1. Manny is actually pretty good at timing people. I'm looking at the Collazo fight as a model. Nextly Manny I believe is on Floyd's level not in timing but fight wise yeah.

                      2.That's what I wanna know... but I'm just looking at how vulnerable Hatton is to southpaws. I don't think style wise Hatton will have an easy time against Pac.

                      3.In the words of Larry Merchant "I've seen Hatton and he's no Marquez" I don't think Hatton is the type of fighter that can be techniiccal enough to beat Pac with technical expertise.

                      Again I think Hatton barely stands a chance against Pac due to the Collazo fight...Hatton seemed very vulnerable to shouthpaws who could box in that fight.

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