Zsolt Erdei is not the lineal champ imo

[crold1]

Didn't they stop publishing rankings for a bit?

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...yweight--1990s

Why doesn't 1997 have a rating?

Also Merqui Sosa was a top 5 contender. Jones had beat him. Hill obviously still deserved the #1 spot, but in Maske's title defenses, the competition wasn't as strong.

Jones was one of the best, the second best in that weight class by rating in that weight class. That makes Maske and Hill and unification fight only. Not for the lineal championship imo.

Ring also once said Paulie Ayala was the World Champ at 122 after picking up three horrid D's in a row and one actual win. Ring ain't the Bible. Besides, that's a year finishing set, published with the Hill-Maske fight in mind. HAd their policy of now been in place then, it would have said "World Champ: Hill" with Roy as his top contender. Hell, Ring's guys once all but admitted it before dancing all around it with some double speak: http://maxboxing.com/Kim/kim092602.asp

I don't know why BoxRec doesn't have 97; I do know that when DM beat Hill, he was rated #1 by Ring (between the Roy-Griffin fights) because I have the issue. Sosa may have cracked their top ten for a second but it was at best a reward for two thrilling fights with an old Williams and its absurd to have him in front of McCallum or a then-titlist DM but its a US MAg so there you go.

[crold1]

You're a smart guy, Warp. I wish I knew as much about boxing when I was 16 as you do.

LOL...I sense sarcasm.

[starjammer]

LOL...I sense sarcasm.

****, not at all man. I'm deadly serious about that.

And not just cause I'm a Calzaghe fan lol

[miron_lang]

Any questions?

How Many Division Championships the following have?



1. Joe Calzghe
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Juan Manuel Marquez

[crold1]

Here's something funny. They have Mike below Merqui...but they score McCallum-Tiozzo 116-111 for Mike (9-3 with Mike getting a quick knockdown against him)...and Mike went twelve with Roy after Sosa got stopped in two. Tiozzo vacated as soon as Roy showed up so he didn't finish the year in the top ten.

And what do you mean Maske's comp wasn't as strong? As what? Williams was beaten at the end of a six year reign; Barkley was Barkley, still a tough out and Rochigianni was a tough out too. The early to mid 90s at Light heavy were shallow, but Maske wasn't fighting non-stop stiffs. Hell, it's better than what Roy fought between Toney and Mccallum

[Steak]

the lineal championship lies in the line of Erdie, and thats the truth.

unfortunately, Erdie has fought so many bums, he was stripped of that claim by everyone in the boxing community.

so there is no true champ at Light Heavyweight, its vacant.

[crold1]

the lineal championship lies in the line of Erdie, and thats the truth.

unfortunately, Erdie has fought so many bums, he was stripped of that claim by everyone in the boxing community.

so there is no true champ at Light Heavyweight, its vacant.

There's truth in this. Lineal means something when it does and doesn't when Erdei goes on a record padding tour for a few years. But from 1997-about 2001, when DM started to really slip, it was a fair argument even if odds say Roy beats him.

I still can't believe two guys were rated 1-2 in a division for a solid five years and never fought. People talk about Bowe-Lewis not happening but this ****** harder.

[warp1432]

Ring also once said Paulie Ayala was the World Champ at 122 after picking up three horrid D's in a row and one actual win. Ring ain't the Bible. Besides, that's a year finishing set, published with the Hill-Maske fight in mind. HAd their policy of now been in place then, it would have said "World Champ: Hill" with Roy as his top contender. Hell, Ring's guys once all but admitted it before dancing all around it with some double speak: http://maxboxing.com/Kim/kim092602.asp

I don't know why BoxRec doesn't have 97; I do know that when DM beat Hill, he was rated #1 by Ring (between the Roy-Griffin fights) because I have the issue. Sosa may have cracked their top ten for a second but it was at best a reward for two thrilling fights with an old Williams and its absurd to have him in front of McCallum or a then-titlist DM but its a US MAg so there you go.

I have not seen that article before and so I'm obviously wrong about this subject, but you don't have to be such a major **** about it.

Ratings are subjective. It doesn't change that Merqui was still top 10 when Jones blew him out and deserved a ranking. Also using the "It's a US magazine, so that's why DM wasn't ranked higher" is pretty dumb if you ask me. Who did DM beat that was better then Charles Williams by 1995? McCallum is a different story and I see your side there.


I'm curious to how though that was ranked in 1996 if you have it. After Jones moved up, did they have him at 3 with Hill and Maske 1 and 2?

[Hitman932]

the lineal championship lies in the line of Erdie, and thats the truth.

Here are a couple more ideas for the threadstarter.

"Barack ***** is not the President Of The United States imo"

"Dysentery does not give you diarrhea imo"

[warp1432]

Here's something funny. They have Mike below Merqui...but they score McCallum-Tiozzo 116-111 for Mike (9-3 with Mike getting a quick knockdown against him)...and Mike went twelve with Roy after Sosa got stopped in two. Tiozzo vacated as soon as Roy showed up so he didn't finish the year in the top ten.

And what do you mean Maske's comp wasn't as strong? As what? Williams was beaten at the end of a six year reign; Barkley was Barkley, still a tough out and Rochigianni was a tough out too. The early to mid 90s at Light heavy were shallow, but Maske wasn't fighting non-stop stiffs. Hell, it's better than what Roy fought between Toney and Mccallum

Barkley was Barkley? What kind of argument is that? If you say Williams was old, but Barkley wasn't, then I'm confused here. Barkley had gotten knocked out by Toney in the previous fight.

Obviously Williams is good and Rochigianni was decent, but at the end day I ask myself, "Is that really better that he deserves to be ranked higher then Roy Jones Jr?"

You say Yes. I say maybe.