What you should already know about Plaster!

[!! Shawn]

Another very good point... I vote we all shut the hell up and wait for the WBA to launch a formal investigation. Everything else will just be hearsay.

No, not a very good point at all. That is like saying that hitting your head with a helmet on would crack your skull.

[lordofthering]

riiiiiiiiiight!

[!! Shawn]

One final study, just in case anyone is even remotely interested. It was conducted as a result of rumors that Jack Dempsey had loaded gloves:

Boxing Illustrated conducted an experiment to test whether it was possible to use plaster of paris successfully under fighting conditions. The results were reported in the May 1964 issue of BI, pp 20-24, 66. Hugh Benbow and Perry Payne (manager and trainer of Cleveland Williams) used plaster of paris on Cleveland's hands and reenacted what Kearns said occurred in Dempsey's dressing room. After 35 minutes of toasting to reenact the 114-degree heat of Toledo that day, Cleveland Williams hit the heavy bag five times. Benbow examined the wraps and found that the plaster had cracked and crumbled. "This stuff." said Cleve, "wouldn't do anybody any good."

The Boxing Illustrated test proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the plaster of paris would not have held up after the first punch, it would have crumbled and left chunks in his mitts and every punch thereafter would have been quite painful and there is little doubt he would have broken his hands. The inventor of the product issued a statement as to the impossibility of using plaster of paris without breaking all the bones in the hands. Dempsey’s hands were not broken and he continued to punch with authority with both hands. This alone dispels the idea that Dempsey’s gloves were loaded with plaster of paris.

You seem to have no idea what casting tape is. Damn all those people with broken limbs and their crumbling casts. Those things are not durable at all...

[!! Shawn]

Have you ever broken a limb? If you had, you would know the process of building a cast via casting tape. And if you do know the process, you're a dumb **** who posted before he thought. If you think you can build a boxing career getting away with laying layer after layer after friggin layer of dripping wet casting tape around the hands of you boxer, and STILL get the ref to sign off on them as being legit fight after fight after fight, you are a miracle worker. But its just not going to happen like that, not to mention the amount of time it takes for casting tape to set and dry.

Before you blindly comment, all I ask is that you give what I'm saying some thought, there is DEFINITE logic because while everyone was quick to label him a cheater, I sat back and thought the whole thing through. Neither Richardson or any of the HBO commentators said "plaster" to begin with. Which is why we need to wait and see. If there was anything at all, I can promise you it wasn't plaster... there have been rumors of boxers using them in gloves since thw early 20's, but no one has EVER been caught using plaster, only hearsay.

You obviously have no idea how hands are wrapped nor that the knuckles are padded with gauze folded up to 20-30 layers thick.

From my understanding the pad on Margarito's knuckles was found to be wet and hardening...

Not only that, descriptions have included that it was a plasticish substance, leading me to believe they were using fiberglass casting tape on his knuckles, which like plaster casting tape sets with water.

Your arguments simply don't hold water.

[nathan_nall]

You obviously have no idea how hands are wrapped nor that the knuckles are padded with gauze folded up to 20-30 layers thick.

From my understanding the pad on Margarito's knuckles was found to be wet and hardening...

Not only that, descriptions have included that it was a plasticish substance, leading me to believe they were using fiberglass casting tape on his knuckles, which like plaster casting tape sets with water.

Your arguments simply don't hold water.

Look man, this is useless, the point I'm trying to make... is plaster in any way shape or form is not going to set inside of a glove. Plaster only sets if the water is allowed to evaporate from it, allowing it to dry. Not to mention, plaster is exothermic, which means the inside of his gloves would have been ten times hotter than normal, and he'd be sweating ten times more than normal. Neither the WBA, the ref, or either team have released a definite statement as to what it really was. For all you and I know, it could have been Skittles that were taped to his hands. I'm not saying they weren't attempting plaster... but an experiment would have been all it was, it would not have set... the moment it even BEGAN to solidify, every punch Toni threw would have caused it to crack.

[!! Shawn]

Look man, this is useless, the point I'm trying to make... is plaster in any way shape or form is not going to set inside of a glove. Plaster only sets if the water is allowed to evaporate from it, allowing it to dry. Not to mention, plaster is exothermic, which means the inside of his gloves would have been ten times hotter than normal, and he'd be sweating ten times more than normal. Neither the WBA, the ref, or either team have released a definite statement as to what it really was. For all you and I know, it could have been Skittles that were taped to his hands. I'm not saying they weren't attempting plaster... but an experiment would have been all it was, it would not have set... the moment it even BEGAN to solidify, every punch Toni threw would have caused it to crack.

Get with the program and do your research before making ****** claims. Your average run of the mill casting tape will be cured to full strength in 3-5 min.

Also, plaster of paris doesn't "dry out" which is why it can be used to make casting by underwater archeologist's, because its curing process is a chemical reaction, not a process of drying out.

[SOY-COMO-SOY]

You obviously have no idea how hands are wrapped nor that the knuckles are padded with gauze folded up to 20-30 layers thick.

From my understanding the pad on Margarito's knuckles was found to be wet and hardening...

Not only that, descriptions have included that it was a plasticish substance, leading me to believe they were using fiberglass casting tape on his knuckles, which like plaster casting tape sets with water.

Your arguments simply don't hold water.

And your ass simply dont hold liquid.

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

Another very good point... I vote we all shut the hell up and wait for the WBA to launch a formal investigation. Everything else will just be hearsay.

Take your own advice! Are you that gullible? I understand giving the man the BOTD but get your argument together 1st! End this thread! Start a new one Nate!

[Naps]

Get with the program and do your research before making ****** claims. Your average run of the mill casting tape will be cured to full strength in 3-5 min.

Also, plaster of paris doesn't "dry out" which is why it can be used to make casting by underwater archeologist's, because its curing process is a chemical reaction, not a process of drying out.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of explaining that to Nathan.

He did do a few summers "working with plaster" though.....lol