What you should already know about Plaster!

[lordofthering]

i'm talking about p4pkings comment.

he states things to matter of factly when he doesn't know **** about ****.

[nathan_nall]

what more proof do u guys want that it would do some serious damage

Dude, I spent the last 3 summers of my college days working with plaster and sheetrock. I know that it will do damage. The whole point of the thread was to sit back and wait for a formal investigation.

Formal investigations are as close as we get to the truth. I'm very familiar with the Panama Lewis case. I had to damn near write a book on it when I was with Ringside Report. Lewis was charged with the removal of padding from the glove. Thats all! Years later, Resto said that Lewis had also put plaster "UNDER" his wraps. Maybe that was true, maybe it was Resto defaming Lewis as they were mortal enemies at that point. The fact is, the removal of padding was proven, the plaster deal was never proven beyond Resto's word.

[nathan_nall]

Answer this: Why use it? It's a fact that Luis Resto fought with gloves by Panama Lewis at least 3 times. Surely he wouldn't do it if the only thing getting hurt was his hands.

Which is exactly why most at the time remained skeptical of the "plaster" comments.

[BattlingNelson]

Which is exactly why most at the time remained skeptical of the "plaster" comments.

If it wasn't true why would Resto say such a thing when Panama Lewis already was banned for life? Surely he would gain nothing but peace of mind.

[My Name Is...]

Yeah I feel the same way... Another question that I have is there are officials and people from the other fighters camps in there while they are getting their hands wrapped and officials that sign off on it.... I dont think it is plausible that this gets through 40 fights and numerous commisioned officals, and other camps people... I dont think he cheated.....

But alot of Cotto fans have tried to get something to stick about him cheating, with steroids, too big for the division, etc.....

If he did really cheat I would be dissappointed....

[nathan_nall]

If it wasn't true why would Resto say such a thing when Panama Lewis already was banned for life? Surely he would gain nothing but peace of mind.

Who knows man... why did Bernard slander DiBella even AFTER DiBella released him from contract? Lou took him to court and won. Anyways man, I'm not saying that Resto wasn't telling the truth. I'm saying it didn't add up. But regardless of what he said, I just think we need to sit back and wait before we make up our minds about Margarito's worth in the WW division and especially the glove scandal.

[BattlingNelson]

Who knows man... why did Bernard slander DiBella even AFTER DiBella released him from contract? Lou took him to court and won. Anyways man, I'm not saying that Resto wasn't telling the truth. I'm saying it didn't add up. But regardless of what he said, I just think we need to sit back and wait before we make up our minds about Margarito's worth in the WW division and especially the glove scandal.

Yeah we'll have to wait.

But regarding plaster there's several examples of plaster of paris being used in wrappings. You might wanna check this thread as well:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240175

It mentions a case of a SA fighter:

South African boxer Edward Mpofu banned for life for using plaster of paris under gloves during a bout in September

http://www.15rounds.com/south-africa...tember-111308/

[P4PKING2008]

i'm talking about p4pkings comment.

he states things to matter of factly when he doesn't know **** about ****.

Dude I do box. And have boxed in championships.

[nathan_nall]

One final study, just in case anyone is even remotely interested. It was conducted as a result of rumors that Jack Dempsey had loaded gloves:

Boxing Illustrated conducted an experiment to test whether it was possible to use plaster of paris successfully under fighting conditions. The results were reported in the May 1964 issue of BI, pp 20-24, 66. Hugh Benbow and Perry Payne (manager and trainer of Cleveland Williams) used plaster of paris on Cleveland's hands and reenacted what Kearns said occurred in Dempsey's dressing room. After 35 minutes of toasting to reenact the 114-degree heat of Toledo that day, Cleveland Williams hit the heavy bag five times. Benbow examined the wraps and found that the plaster had cracked and crumbled. "This stuff." said Cleve, "wouldn't do anybody any good."

The Boxing Illustrated test proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the plaster of paris would not have held up after the first punch, it would have crumbled and left chunks in his mitts and every punch thereafter would have been quite painful and there is little doubt he would have broken his hands. The inventor of the product issued a statement as to the impossibility of using plaster of paris without breaking all the bones in the hands. Dempsey’s hands were not broken and he continued to punch with authority with both hands. This alone dispels the idea that Dempsey’s gloves were loaded with plaster of paris.

[S A M U R A I]

I would give out some green K to you Nathan but I've used my limit for today.



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