Why Has Antonio Margarito Never Won A Lineal Title

[Vasyl’s dad]

I wasn't going to touch this, but.......Judah was supposed to fight margo after he beat spinks(who also was supposed to fight margo after he beat mayorga), but zab passed...Do I really have to remind you want baldie said after the gatti fight? Since I must, he was asked who would he like to fight, and the name that was first thrown out was margo...Baldies respones was "No! No! Margarito!!!! I want Floyd! No Margarito!....

You can't control who you want to fight, and who wants to fight you. I hate to say it, but Margarito/Paul Williams 2 is a perfect example...

Please don't act silly to that fact.

Theres something about facts that make him act in a peculiar manner.

[Bhopreign]

Thats very true. But that doesnt change the fact that he is a cab driver!!!

Baldomir was a one hit wonder!!!!!!!

One hit? Well he was undefeated for almost ten years and beats many of his opponents somewhat like Margarito does, by having a good chin, stamina, and nonstop coming forward.

[Bhopreign]

Theres something about facts that make him act in a peculiar manner.

If their facts why didnt you post it, probably because its not true, and if it is true, Im sure its because Margo didnt bring any money to the table which everyone at the time agreed upon.

[TheGreatA]

If their facts why didnt you post it, probably because its not true, and if it is true, Im sure its because Margo didnt bring any money to the table which everyone at the time agreed upon.

Is it Margarito's fault?

The reason he hasn't competed for the linear welterweight title is because he was either avoided or didn't bring enough money to the table, not because he didn't want to.

I guess we've got our answer.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

One hit? Well he was undefeated for almost ten years and beats many of his opponents somewhat like Margarito does, by having a good chin, stamina, and nonstop coming forward.

That was beating Cab rivers that were worst than him.

You are trying to make Floyds win over Cabdomir, better than Margos win over Cotto!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EL HANDSOME]

A Title Reign in the Shadows

Thus Antonio Margarito’s welterweight reign begins; it didn’t have the bells and whistles that it probably deserved as Forrest was still considered the man, because he had beat the man who beat the man.

But time was on Antonio’s side, as he was the youngest title holder at the time in the division, and time would prove that all along Margarito’s championship reign was as legitimate as the one Forrest had earned from Mosley.

Forrest reign was brief, too brief, in his second title defense against Wild Man Ricardo Mayorga (who had earned the WBA strap, from chinny Adrew “Six Heads” Lewis), he ran into right hand from hell from the aforementioned Mayorga that sent him to the showers in three.

At this point in time Mayorga was the unified WBA and WBC world welter champ, but in retrospective (and hindsight is always 20/20) Mayorga wasn’t as formidable as Margarito.

Mayorga would have probably been TKO’d by Antonio in a slugfest, and Don King was probably aware of the risk of taking on such an opponent, so after Mayorga narrowly defeated Forrest in a rematch, Margarito was bypassed in favor of …Corey Spinks .

Corey Spinks brings to the table his IBF strap, and defeats Mayorga with some help from the referee, and promptly he is declared by the media as the undisputed welterweight champ, apparently the boxing world had forgotten that as of December 14, 2003, the “real” welterweight championship had passed through three different fighters, while Margarito’s WBO championship reign remained undisturbed and well, during the same period Forrest, Mayorga, and Spinks exchanged titles, Margarito had gone on a 3-0 stint, which included two successful title defenses (the remaining bout took place at 154).

Alas Margarito’s opposition was not stellar, but he did was he was supposed to do, take care of his mandatory defenses. It wasn’t Margarito’s fault if Don King didn’t want any of his prized belt holders near the Mexican fighter. Quietly and in the shadows Margarito was putting together the first successful welterweight title run since the days when Felix Trinidad ruled the welters.

Mean while Corey Spinks, was steered towards a fight with another Don King fighter…Zab Judah.

Judah who had posted a few wins as a welter, gave Spinks all he could handle in a losing effort. Spinks would defend the title one more time, before facing Judah again in 2005.

The welterweight madness would continue as Judah manages to TKO Spinks in 9 (to this date his only win on the big stage) and earn the “Undisputed” Welter weight championship. This is an area where the Ring magazine ratings need to be revised as the Ring title had passed through 4 different hands from 2002 to February, 19, 2005. In that same period of time Margarito, had gone on a 5-1 run, 4-0 in welterweight title fights, and his only loss came at the hands of Daniel Santos at 154.

And that loss to Santos was again inconclusive as Santos came into ring that night as a light heavyweight, and while he was winning on this writer’s score card at the time of the stoppage (due to another accidental headbutt), it was clear that Santos was fading, and Margarito was coming on strong while winning rounds.

So it is very possible that his stint could have been 6-0, had Margarito been given the chance to continue and win the last 3 rounds. I had Santos up by 1 round at the time of the stoppage with three rounds still left to be fought.

Perhaps that 3rd encounter between them will happen soon, since Santos now has a world title at 154. The issue with the Ring ratings here is that Judah, had no obligation to fight Margarito, and therefore he didn’t face him, but at this point it was safe to assume that the real champ at 147 was Antonio and at the very least, while Zab was a champion he wasn’t really undisputed, and no one could declare to be such thing when Margarito was alive, well, and had yet to be dealt with.

Ironically it was Zab Judah’s title winning effort which prompted Mayweather to move up in weight in order to win the “undisputed”, not so undisputed championship. However Zab had only to get past slow as molasses Carlos Baldomir, in order for that match up to come into fruition.

So in January 2006, the so called undisputed welterweight title becomes more disputed as Judah for all his talents, does not get past the hard chinned but light punching Baldomir. Mayweather still goes ahead with the Judah fight, and defeats him. He then moves on to fight the “real” welter weight champ, no, not Margarito, but Baldomir. As foreseen by most experts Mayweather does a number on him and at the dawn of 2006 Mayweather is considered by the mainstream as the “real” welterweight champion.

So let’s keep track since 2002 Mayweather’s “real” title had passed through *gasp* 6 different sets of hands, during that same period of time, Margarito had put together an impressive 8-1 run, while being 7-0 in Welterweight title fights. Who was the real welterweight champ? The question was never answered as Floyd preferred the less risk higher reward fights against De La Hoya and Hatton, rather than to face the longest reigning welter weight champ since Felix Trinidad.

As fate would have it Margarito’s reign wouldn’t surpass the undefeated streak of title defenses that Trinidad had, (we might never see another welter reign as long and as impressive as Tito’s), but it was as close as any welter has gotten since Trinidad’s departure from the division.

[HandSpeed303]

If their facts why didnt you post it, probably because its not true, and if it is true, Im sure its because Margo didnt bring any money to the table which everyone at the time agreed upon.

That is fact my man. Margo was to get the winner of spinks/mayorga, spinks avoided him. When zab beat spinks, margo was still there, that was the first, but the the last time zab avoided margo. After the baldie/gatti fight, it was plain to see in baldie's own words that margo would not get a shot at him.

Those are facts.

You may be right about the money part, but once agian, how is that margo's fault?

[Bhopreign]

That was beating Cab rivers that were worst than him.

You are trying to make Floyds win over Cabdomir, better than Margos win over Cotto!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No Im not, Im saying Floyd shoudnt be held under a microscope at his FOURTH weight class thats all. If Cotto or Margarito moved to their FOURTH weight class, which really would be 160 for Cotto and 168 for Margarito, do you actually think they would fight the best there and win? Come on, see when you look at things with an open mind you will see how things really are.

[javelin_fangs]

What fight did he turn down for the lineal championship?

Did you read my post at all fool!?! I said that it's not on Floyd. There were four other linear champions between when Margarito won his first belt and when Floyd became linear champion. Go back and review RECENT boxing history. Learn a thing or two about the sport you follow enough to post on a message board about.

Don't just jump on the anti-Floyd ****waggon and agree with any pro-Margarito position that comes out on the board because it's not necessarily back up by facts. Blaming Mayweather for Margarito not getting a linear title shot is like Aaron Pryor blaming Ray Leonard for Pryor never being the linear 147 lb champion.

[Vasyl’s dad]

A Title Reign in the Shadows

Thus Antonio Margarito’s welterweight reign begins; it didn’t have the bells and whistles that it probably deserved as Forrest was still considered the man, because he had beat the man who beat the man.

But time was on Antonio’s side, as he was the youngest title holder at the time in the division, and time would prove that all along Margarito’s championship reign was as legitimate as the one Forrest had earned from Mosley.

Forrest reign was brief, too brief, in his second title defense against Wild Man Ricardo Mayorga (who had earned the WBA strap, from chinny Adrew “Six Heads” Lewis), he ran into right hand from hell from the aforementioned Mayorga that sent him to the showers in three.

At this point in time Mayorga was the unified WBA and WBC world welter champ, but in retrospective (and hindsight is always 20/20) Mayorga wasn’t as formidable as Margarito.

Mayorga would have probably been TKO’d by Antonio in a slugfest, and Don King was probably aware of the risk of taking on such an opponent, so after Mayorga narrowly defeated Forrest in a rematch, Margarito was bypassed in favor of …Corey Spinks .

Corey Spinks brings to the table his IBF strap, and defeats Mayorga with some help from the referee, and promptly he is declared by the media as the undisputed welterweight champ, apparently the boxing world had forgotten that as of December 14, 2003, the “real” welterweight championship had passed through three different fighters, while Margarito’s WBO championship reign remained undisturbed and well, during the same period Forrest, Mayorga, and Spinks exchanged titles, Margarito had gone on a 3-0 stint, which included two successful title defenses (the remaining bout took place at 154).

Alas Margarito’s opposition was not stellar, but he did was he was supposed to do, take care of his mandatory defenses. It wasn’t Margarito’s fault if Don King didn’t want any of his prized belt holders near the Mexican fighter. Quietly and in the shadows Margarito was putting together the first successful welterweight title run since the days when Felix Trinidad ruled the welters.

Mean while Corey Spinks, was steered towards a fight with another Don King fighter…Zab Judah.

Judah who had posted a few wins as a welter, gave Spinks all he could handle in a losing effort. Spinks would defend the title one more time, before facing Judah again in 2005.

The welterweight madness would continue as Judah manages to TKO Spinks in 9 (to this date his only win on the big stage) and earn the “Undisputed” Welter weight championship. This is an area where the Ring magazine ratings need to be revised as the Ring title had passed through 4 different hands from 2002 to February, 19, 2005. In that same period of time Margarito, had gone on a 5-1 run, 4-0 in welterweight title fights, and his only loss came at the hands of Daniel Santos at 154.

And that loss to Santos was again inconclusive as Santos came into ring that night as a light heavyweight, and while he was winning on this writer’s score card at the time of the stoppage (due to another accidental headbutt), it was clear that Santos was fading, and Margarito was coming on strong while winning rounds.

So it is very possible that his stint could have been 6-0, had Margarito been given the chance to continue and win the last 3 rounds. I had Santos up by 1 round at the time of the stoppage with three rounds still left to be fought.

Perhaps that 3rd encounter between them will happen soon, since Santos now has a world title at 154. The issue with the Ring ratings here is that Judah, had no obligation to fight Margarito, and therefore he didn’t face him, but at this point it was safe to assume that the real champ at 147 was Antonio and at the very least, while Zab was a champion he wasn’t really undisputed, and no one could declare to be such thing when Margarito was alive, well, and had yet to be dealt with.

Ironically it was Zab Judah’s title winning effort which prompted Mayweather to move up in weight in order to win the “undisputed”, not so undisputed championship. However Zab had only to get past slow as molasses Carlos Baldomir, in order for that match up to come into fruition.

So in January 2006, the so called undisputed welterweight title becomes more disputed as Judah for all his talents, does not get past the hard chinned but light punching Baldomir. Mayweather still goes ahead with the Judah fight, and defeats him. He then moves on to fight the “real” welter weight champ, no, not Margarito, but Baldomir. As foreseen by most experts Mayweather does a number on him and at the dawn of 2006 Mayweather is considered by the mainstream as the “real” welterweight champion.

So let’s keep track since 2002 Mayweather’s “real” title had passed through *gasp* 6 different sets of hands, during that same period of time, Margarito had put together an impressive 8-1 run, while being 7-0 in Welterweight title fights. Who was the real welterweight champ? The question was never answered as Floyd preferred the less risk higher reward fights against De La Hoya and Hatton, rather than to face the longest reigning welter weight champ since Felix Trinidad.

As fate would have it Margarito’s reign wouldn’t surpass the undefeated streak of title defenses that Trinidad had, (we might never see another welter reign as long and as impressive as Tito’s), but it was as close as any welter has gotten since Trinidad’s departure from the division.

Game, set, match.