Why will Wlad never be considered a great HW?

[KostyaTszyu44]

What are you yapping about?
I can see Toney never becoming a great, but if Wlad will continue on doing on what he is doing, which is disposing of his opposition with utmost prejudice, he will be remembered as an all time great. Thats about it.


I mean, if you are not giving Wlad(given that he keeps on winning) an all time great status, you might as well scratch Floyd, Hopkins and a bunch of others out of the list.

toney already is a great.....

three weight world champ, wins over some excellent fighters, shoo in HoFer

boxingscene did a measured against all time thing with him and the verdict was ATG

i asked the same question ages ago on boxingscene and the majority of people agreed he is an ATG

i have read articles in numerous other boxing publications expressign the opinion he is an ATG

and of course you can watch the man, look at a youtube highlight or watch a fight of his or something, his skills are first class

and he is a throwback fighter with 80 fights, what other elite fighter nowadays has had 80 fights??

[Dynamite Kid]

Wlad is actually a really nice guy imo, but his style is just not aggressive enough.

If Wlad had a good chin he could of bern arguably one of the best HW of all time.

[kayjay]

Wlad will retire as the greatest fighter who ever lived. You might not like it, but he will.

[BattlingNelson]

I voted lack of good opponents to beat. But he can still be great. If your opposition lacks in ability you have to make up for it in longevity. So far (in this reign, Wlad has done everything asked of him and no opponent has come even remotely close to beating him.

[Zocalo]

Wlad will retire as the greatest fighter who ever lived. You might not like it, but he will.

Um ok... cool.

[Dynamite Kid]

Wlad will retire as the greatest fighter who ever lived. You might not like it, but he will.

Please explain this to me Kayjkay. I just dont know where you are going with this.

[KostyaTszyu44]

I always thought the fact that he was white was a good argument. Seems to be pretty much the standard fare for the last 50 years - you've only got to look at the **** Marciano has to put up with. You can't get recognition if you're a top white HW boxer - it's in the (unofficial) rules.


Wlad's got serious flaws but he'd dismantle Frasier/Foreman/Marciano & Louis no doubt.

Prime Tyson = Kill Wlad (Not Vitali - sorry Tyson fanboys but bar injury or cut Vitali aint never going down)

Prime Lewis = Would win most probably via KO

Prime Ali = Probably Ali but not as easily as people think. Wlad is better than Foremamn in so many ways and Ali is seriously overated. People always say "Yeah but a prime Ali vs Liston pre government ban was amazing". My reply is: "It's Liston......."

Bottom Line: Losing doesn't make you a bad HW, when you're talking about Hw's anything can happen - one punch makes a difference (see Lewis) its the END result that matters, how your career develops and how it ends & how much you improved.

dude. if ross purritty, corrie sanders, and lamon brewster can stop wlad, im pretty sure everyone else you mentioned can...

and its not a case of styles make fights or whatever, its simply the fact that those 3 HW's that beat wlad were crap and those other guys are ATG's

[The Hammer]

Because of his lack of excitement and fighting heart, or his lack of charisma

or his robotic and boring style?

or is it the lack of talent in the division at the moment??

theres so many options to choose from here, im in over my head......


discuss and vote

He'll never be considered great because 1) his skin is the wrong color and 2) he wasn't born in the USA. Wlad has two strikes against him, Lewis only a had one.

Interesting how ******s like KostyaTszyu44 constantly hate on the Klitschkos and Calzaghe, yet if you make the slightest criticism of their favorite black fighters, they swarm all over you with accusations of racism.

That has always seemed to be a nasty double standard to me.

[AztecWanker]

wlad is a HOF but that doesnt mean hes an ATG. he is a decent fighter, but his lack of taking risks and his **** opponents will count against him in the long run, not to mention he got ko'd 3 times by lesser opponents and redeemed himself only once.

[KostyaTszyu44]

He'll never be considered great because 1) his skin is the wrong color and 2) he wasn't born in the USA. Wlad has two strikes against him, Lewis only a had one.

Interesting how ******s like KostyaTszyu44 constantly hate on the Klitschkos and Calzaghe, yet if you make the slightest criticism of their favorite black fighters, they swarm all over you with accusations of racism.

That has always seemed to be a nasty double standard to me.

******s? all my favourite fighters are all black?? dude my username is kostyatszyu44, and while toney is my all time fave my second is salvador sanchez and others like tszyu, darchinyan etc

i dont hate on the klitschkos and calzaghe cos they are white, i hate on them because they are mediocre, there are excellent white fighters like darchy, tszyu, pavlik etc who dont have poor resumes or mediocre qualities

and in your case when you hate on black fighters its mainly cos they are black