Why will Wlad never be considered a great HW?

[KostyaTszyu44]

good thoughts everyone

and no steelhammer, wlad will never be considered a great HW, and he shouldnt be in the HoF as of yet

[KostyaTszyu44]

Lewis never "avenged" the McCall loss

McCall had a mental breakdown and started crying in the ring....most bizarre thing I have ever seen.

wlad is too big a soft **** to even attempt to avenge his losses

[Steak]

But if the division is so absolutely ****ty, why doesn't he walk through his opponents like they're nothing instead of jabbing for 12 rounds with the occasional right hand? I think that's where most of the dislike comes from. I mean there have been other great heavyweight champions that fought in weak era's.

because hes a chicken and doesnt want to take risks. its frustrating sometimes, but I dont think its any reason for him to be denied a great HW.(if he ever deserves it)

can you blame him? he has been knocked out a few times, aint he? and mostly because he tires himself out.

and there have been some weak eras, but this one is just awful. seriously. maybe its not the worst, but geez. 47 year old Holyfield getting robbed against a top 5ish fighter? guys like Ray Austin drawing with a top 10 guy? an old John Ruiz still gives the top guys all they can handle? ugh.

[Steelhammer2K9]

wlad is too big a soft **** to even attempt to avenge his losses

Wlad avenged the fluke Brewster loss...he completely dominated Brewster and made him quit in 6 rounds.

[BrooklynBomber]

What are you yapping about?
I can see Toney never becoming a great, but if Wlad will continue on doing on what he is doing, which is disposing of his opposition with utmost prejudice, he will be remembered as an all time great. Thats about it.


I mean, if you are not giving Wlad(given that he keeps on winning) an all time great status, you might as well scratch Floyd, Hopkins and a bunch of others out of the list.

[Chunk..]

Lewis never "avenged" the McCall KO loss

McCall had a mental breakdown and started crying in the ring....most bizarre thing I have ever seen.

Lennox won, which means he avenged that loss.

[Rosseboi]

Because of his lack of excitement and fighting heart, or his lack of charisma

or his robotic and boring style?

or is it the lack of talent in the division at the moment??

theres so many options to choose from here, im in over my head......


discuss and vote

I always thought the fact that he was white was a good argument. Seems to be pretty much the standard fare for the last 50 years - you've only got to look at the **** Marciano has to put up with. You can't get recognition if you're a top white HW boxer - it's in the (unofficial) rules.


Wlad's got serious flaws but he'd dismantle Frasier/Foreman/Marciano & Louis no doubt.

Prime Tyson = Kill Wlad (Not Vitali - sorry Tyson fanboys but bar injury or cut Vitali aint never going down)

Prime Lewis = Would win most probably via KO

Prime Ali = Probably Ali but not as easily as people think. Wlad is better than Foremamn in so many ways and Ali is seriously overated. People always say "Yeah but a prime Ali vs Liston pre government ban was amazing". My reply is: "It's Liston......."

Bottom Line: Losing doesn't make you a bad HW, when you're talking about Hw's anything can happen - one punch makes a difference (see Lewis) its the END result that matters, how your career develops and how it ends & how much you improved.

[larryx]

to those saying wlad isnt a hall of famer...please..yes he is...52-3 46 ko's 6 title defenses..2 time champ..sure fire hall of famer hands down

[hammerhiem]

Another pathetic Wlad hate thread

Wlad IS a great heavyweight and a future hall of famer.

it might take him a few yers to get in but i'll give you greatest of his era and proabable HoF'er.

Doesn't stop him being the most boring fighter in eth world to watch though.

shuffle shuffle jab, shuffle shuffle jab, shuffle shuffle jab, shuffle shuffle jab, hook, shuffle shuffle jab, shuffle shuffle jab, shuffle shuffle jab, shuffle shuffle jab, shuffle shu...OMFG He threw a punch at me CLINCH! shuffle shuffle jab...

[Zocalo]

Well he has 3 ugly losses... that is why...