They have Calzaghe as ATG but not Mosley? WTF?

[daggum]

The numbers might not be 100% accurate, but the difference in Calzaghe's/Hopkins statistics were too far apart to be completely false.

When one fighter is landing at 37% (Calzaghe) and the other is landing at 27%, I don't think you can seriously argue that the numbers should be reversed. Now if it was, say 35%/33% I'd see your point, but unfortunately that is not the case.

Hopkins threw less, Hopkins landed less and Hopkins was gassed in the second half of the fight. No other way to describe it.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if the fight had been the other way around. Something tells me you wouldn't be moaning about Hopkins throwing a 1000 punches and not leaving a scratch on Calzaghe's face. Hmm...

seriously now you cannot believe that is anywhere accurate. 37 percent lol. thus we must throw out the whole system as being fraudulent and not take it seriously. you still seem to cling to it though.

[dans]

Seriously, I've stopped paying any attention to these Measured Against All Time articles. I haven't found any consistency to how they are judging a fighter's standing and their logic is flawed. I personally think it's the worst series of articles I've seen on this site in a long time.

[andrewcuff]

er... Calzaghe said after the bout the Low Blows were deliberate..

This is from the link you posted:

Calzaghe said: “When I hit him there in the second round, that was proper deliberate. He’d knocked me down in the first so I had to give him a dig, didn’t I?”

I was referring the later round (9 I think) when Hopkins decided he needed a few minutes to recover.

[daggum]

The numbers might not be 100% accurate, but the difference in Calzaghe's/Hopkins statistics were too far apart to be completely false.

When one fighter is landing at 37% (Calzaghe) and the other is landing at 27%, I don't think you can seriously argue that the numbers should be reversed. Now if it was, say 35%/33% I'd see your point, but unfortunately that is not the case.

Hopkins threw less, Hopkins landed less and Hopkins was gassed in the second half of the fight. No other way to describe it.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if the fight had been the other way around. Something tells me you wouldn't be moaning about Hopkins throwing a 1000 punches and not leaving a scratch on Calzaghe's face. Hmm...

ok so wrong. would you have calzaghe winning if he landed all the clean punches but some dude stood next to him and winged a bunch of slaps that missed?

[daggum]

er... Calzaghe said after the bout the Low Blows were deliberate..
http://www.boxingdaily.co.uk/calzagh...ns-deliberate/

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i dont care how many slaps/punches someone throws. Work-Rate may be be good, but if they don't do anything, then what is the point?

Calzaghe was knockded down and was wobbled on several occasions throughout the bout.

Hopkins was wobbled i think only once.

Which says it all.

no never. maybe someone turned the air conditioning on in the arena but it certainly wasn't calzaghe's doing.

[The Gunner]

just read BoxingScenes Measured ATG for Mosley. While i agree with most of it even the part thats hes not quite ATG material. then i see Calzaghe's and BS has him as ATG, WTF? GTFO. If anything Mosley should be considered a ATG before Calzaghe. Accomplishments even fighters Mosley has faced is way better. Defending your title againest subpars, past prime fighters all your career should hurt you, not bring you ATG status. he should get big credit for unifying the division with Lacy and Kessler but thats about it. the rest of his career is ****. he barely beat Hopkins and fought a Jones past his best days, where in his prime he'd smoke Joe. He's not close to ATG, HOF, yes. noway his resume beats Mosley.

Its all opinion. Its your OPINION that prime Roy woulda beat Calzaghe that doesn't make it a fact. The fact is, Calzaghe smashed him to bits when they did fight. The Hopkins fight was close but he got the W there too.

The man has beat everyone who was put infront of him, his record is nowhere near as bad as you haters make out. Eubank, Woodhall, Reid and Brewer were all good wins. His haters know jack **** about these fighters thats why he gets so much ****.

Calzaghe beat 7 top 10 fighters at 168, 4 of them were easily top 5 and two of them were #1 and #2 when he fought them

He's had two fights at 175 and beat the #1 guy and the #6 guy....Another TWO top 10 fighters.

I dont know why im posting this those because haters will always find a way to hate.

[Abstraction]

This is from the link you posted:

Calzaghe said: “When I hit him there in the second round, that was proper deliberate. He’d knocked me down in the first so I had to give him a dig, didn’t I?”

I was referring the later round (9 I think) when Hopkins decided he needed a few minutes to recover.

That's just it though lol, if he deliberatley went for a Low Blow in the 2nd, i dont see why he would not do it again.. See where i am coming from?

[daggum]

This is from the link you posted:

Calzaghe said: “When I hit him there in the second round, that was proper deliberate. He’d knocked me down in the first so I had to give him a dig, didn’t I?”

I was referring the later round (9 I think) when Hopkins decided he needed a few minutes to recover.

well if he did it in the second on purpose he probably did it in the 9th when he got schooled the first 8 rounds and lost almost every won(according to his trainer and dad of course)

[SHB]

I hate to bring this thread back to point, but what's the argument. Mosley isn't an ATG.

[andrewcuff]

everything doesn't have to be as black and white as this site makes it... on the one hand you have people saying Calzaghe's a former world-class puncher a la Trinidad, and on the other hand you have people saying he's always been weaker than Calderon's baby sister... on the one hand you have people calling Calzaghe's resume great, on the other you have people saying it was all bums and OAP's.......

can no one ever be objective

Exactly.

I always like to see myself as a "reasonble" Calzaghe fan. I'm not claiming he would have beaten Jones in his prime or that he had the power of George Foreman, but it irritates me when boxing "fans" claim he's always been weak and is a completely overhyped fraud.

I started an thread the other weak about why is there never any objectivity regarding JC and of course the abuse was like a *******!