Joe Calzaghe was not on the level of.....Jones, Hopkins, Toney

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Good fighter, very good fighter Joe but he was no great. To beat Joe you need good countering and to break up his pace, Joe looked his best against old shot or never were garbage fighters fighters who shut down when he applied his slapping.

All three of these fighters have good speed, footwork and can adapt! Joe was only suited for uneducated pressure and throwing a billion slap shots to gain olympic points victories against marginal competition and never looked good against a legitimate challenger.

Tell us something we don't know....

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Joe's best win is FAR AND AWAY Kessler. But Kessler hasn't really fought anyone, so as of right now we're unsure of exactly how good that win was. I happen to think Kessler is very good, and would be very competitive with the elite at 168, but as of right now we really don't know.

I'm not much of a Joe hater, I don't particularly like him but I have nothing against him. I just think it's crazy to put him in a sentence with Hopkins, Toney, and RJJ. Could Joe have beaten them when they were in their prime? We'll never know, I happen to think no ****in way, but I don't really have concrete proof of that. So all we can go by is resumes, and to compare Joe's resume to any of the aforementioned 3 is honestly an insult.

Calzaghe is a Hall of Famer. He's had a great career, no one is trying to take that away from him. But comparing him to 3 of the best fighters in the past 50 years..hell 3 of the best fighters of all time? Come on now.

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dont want to come off as a hater but joe is only great and not an all time great, despite his record, and "beating" hopkins (IMO he lost by 2 points) and beating jones jr.

everytime i watch him fight, i just don't think he is as good a fighter as a pacquiao, morales, barrera, hopkins, jones jr (prime)...those are the real legends.

hes still a hall of famer though, just not a legend. maybe he is a legend in the UK but not to me.

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Yes, of course. I mean they constantly ****ted on his defenses and made him feel bad about himself.

This must've made him and Warren question themselves AND get indignant and say "**** those fat yanks, I'm not fighting over there, Roy Yones should come to me".

I find it hilarious that the American and xenophobe comments are brought up at me ever.

Is that why I think Lennox is an ATG and maybe one of the top 20 best heavyweights of all time easy? Must be because he's "American" right?

Morons.

There was even talk about Kessler being shafted by these bias Americans. "Their not giving him enough chances" He lost to a Euro bum so he won't get exposure in America"

He appeared on two HBO cards,one against Andrade and the other with Calzaghe on it. Chad Dawson just offered him a fight for his title,HBO wants Kessler vs Taylor and Glen just offered him a contract. I can predict in about five years some people will talk about how Kessler was avoided by all the Yanks and the American media was so biased against poor European fighters like Mikkel.

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There was even talk about Kessler being shafted by these bias Americans. "Their not giving him enough chances" He lost to a Euro bum so he won't get exposure in America"

He appeared on two HBO cards,one against Andrade and the other with Calzaghe on it. Chad Dawson just offered him a fight for his title,HBO wants Kessler vs Taylor and Glen just offered him a contract. I can predict in about five years some people will talk about how Kessler was avoided by all the Yanks and the American media was so biased against poor European fighters like Mikkel.

Yup. And they'll be some guys who will reluctantly admit they weren't watching boxing in that time.

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There was even talk about Kessler being shafted by these bias Americans. "Their not giving him enough chances" He lost to a Euro bum so he won't get exposure in America"

He appeared on two HBO cards,one against Andrade and the other with Calzaghe on it. Chad Dawson just offered him a fight for his title,HBO wants Kessler vs Taylor and Glen just offered him a contract. I can predict in about five years some people will talk about how Kessler was avoided by all the Yanks and the American media was so biased against poor European fighters like Mikkel.

Absolutely and all true. But you gotta look at who was making those threads and comments.

Guys like Tunney, known racist that frequents ********** and has white power issues, and guys who were either huge Kessler fans because they are from the same country (understandable) or the usual Anti American crew and the Joe Calzaghe crew (also part of the anti american crew) that are only Kessler fans because they are desperate to make that win by Joe look better than it really is right now on paper.

Of course they'll say all this. They've managed to completely subvert the history of Dariusz and Roy saying Roy avoided DM (LOL). Also remember- these are the same people who have forgotten (or never watched) that Tito was P4P 1 and considered the best fighter in the world when Hops KOed him. Or that Hops was trying to get out of the Don King contract all along when he decided not to go with the WBO trinket fight against Calz.


You know what else is funny about Calzaghe and his douche boy fans?


Take a look at this key difference vs. Roy. Doucheboy fans of Joe say he called out Roy and that ROY AVOIDED HIM (AHAHHAHAHA) and that he always wanted and chased after a Roy fight. What did he DO to get this fight though?
NOTHING

Now look at Tarver. There's a guy who wanted a Roy fight. He beat everyone in the LHW division. When he lost to Harding (which cost him his fight with Roy) he did everything he could (I don't care about the money he said) to get that Rematch and KOed Harding. He mowed down every top guy in the division that Roy had already dispatched. He showed up at every press conference Roy was at, screaming to be heard. He got interviews with the Ring, made sure his name was in EVERY article about Roys with a snide comment about Roy. He made the PUBLIC demand that fight.

Tarver wanted that fight (and I do not like NOR AM I FAN OF Tarver in fact back then I hated him). But the fact remains- he wanted the Fight.

Joe had his thumb up his ass talking **** and fighting Branko Sobot.

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Yup. And they'll be some guys who will reluctantly admit they weren't watching boxing in that time.

Some people don't even know that Calzaghe had a contract with Showtime.

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Some people don't even know that Calzaghe had a contract with Showtime.

hmm hey no reason to ask this but who was Hopkins contracted to at the time?

LOL.

HAHAHHAAA. Too easy.

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Absolutely and all true. But you gotta look at who was making those threads and comments.

Guys like Tunney, known racist that frequents ********** and has white power issues, and guys who were either huge Kessler fans because they are from the same country (understandable) or the usual Anti American crew and the Joe Calzaghe crew (also part of the anti american crew) that are only Kessler fans because they are desperate to make that win by Joe look better than it really is right now on paper.

Of course they'll say all this. They've managed to completely subvert the history of Dariusz and Roy saying Roy avoided DM (LOL). Also remember- these are the same people who have forgotten (or never watched) that Tito was P4P 1 and considered the best fighter in the world when Hops KOed him. Or that Hops was trying to get out of the Don King contract all along when he decided not to go with the WBO trinket fight against Calz.


You know what else is funny about Calzaghe and his douche boy fans?


Take a look at this key difference vs. Roy. Doucheboy fans of Joe say he called out Roy and that ROY AVOIDED HIM (AHAHHAHAHA) and that he always wanted and chased after a Roy fight. What did he DO to get this fight though?
NOTHING

Now look at Tarver. There's a guy who wanted a Roy fight. He beat everyone in the LHW division. When he lost to Harding (which cost him his fight with Roy) he did everything he could (I don't care about the money he said) to get that Rematch and KOed Harding. He mowed down every top guy in the division that Roy had already dispatched. He showed up at every press conference Roy was at, screaming to be heard. He got interviews with the Ring, made sure his name was in EVERY article about Roys with a snide comment about Roy. He made the PUBLIC demand that fight.

Tarver wanted that fight (and I do not like NOR AM I FAN OF Tarver in fact back then I hated him). But the fact remains- he wanted the Fight.

Joe had his thumb up his ass talking **** and fighting Branko Sobot.

The funny thing is Tarver was an American and he had to go through all that work to get a fight with Roy. Calzaghe didn't do 1/10th of that.

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hmm hey no reason to ask this but who was Hopkins contracted to at the time?

LOL.

HAHAHHAAA. Too easy.

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