the most fundamental boxer in this era

[Equilibrium]

Juan Manuel Marquez, and Hopkins come to mind.

Right what i was about to post.

[Silencers]

If someone was wanting to learn how to fight properly, then watching Lopez would be the best way to go in my opinion. He was one of the most complete, fundamentally perfect boxers I've ever seen. Yes, that includes Hopkins, Mayweather, Toney, etc etc etc etc.

The 'Philly Shell' is not an orthodox fighting style. It is what you would most definitely call an unorthodox style of boxing. People are getting confused with 'The best boxer vs the best fundamental boxer'.

Textbook is textbook. It is what you teach a young, new kid coming in to learn how to box well. Throwing lead left hooks and hardly any jabs is about as far from textbook as you can get. If you think Mayweather is textbook then you have not learned what textbook boxing is.

Pot-shotting is not textbook. If a trainer tells you to pot-shot as a textbook fighter, you should leave him real quick. Having a lead right as your main weapon is not textbook. If you're a brilliant textbook boxer you're best weapon is your jab, no questions. You might have a great, powerful punch of some type but your most important weapon is the jab and it is what you use most.

Also, guys like Mayweather, Hopkins etc do not throw textbook combinations. They do of course, but they are not their signature moves and the ones they use to most effect. Mayweather knocking out N'Dou with three lead rights? About as far from fundamentally sound as you could ask for.

Mayweather, Hopkins, Toney, etc have all learned the fundamental, textbook style of fighting but have gone beyond it. If you're thinking they are fundamental you should not be teaching boxing. You will get your poor students KO'd real quick.

Definitely, if you have a young boxer who's just beginning to fight and want to show him tapes of great boxing technique, you put in tapes of Ricardo Lopez, that's how good he was technically.

And I agree with the rest of your post.

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Mate, we're not talking about the best, so don't worry, you don't need to comment and talk ****e about him being the greatest of all time. This is just the best textbook fighter ok? If you think Floyd is textbook, then it just goes to prove what everyone always knew, that you don't have a damn clue what you're talking about. Floyd is not textbook and that is what makes him great. Get it? You don't need to try and make him the best at everything. Fans don't need to go that far mate.

[BennyST]

Definitely, if you have a young boxer who's just beginning to fight and want to show him tapes of great boxing technique, you put in tapes of Ricardo Lopez, that's how good he was technically.

And I agree with the rest of your post.

Man, he's one of those fighters I can just watch and watch and watch over and over. Such perfection in his technique. Love watching him.

[Grand Champ]

Kessler........

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Man, he's one of those fighters I can just watch and watch and watch over and over. Such perfection in his technique. Love watching him.

Me too, he was brilliant to watch, I always liked the way he'd have his hands up in his corner before the bell rang, great fighter.

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who is the most fundamental boxer?

you know hands up, chins down, perfect stance, balance, movement, good work of jab, defense, counter, etc...

ive been watching alot of fights lately and i think bernard hopkins is probably the most fundamental boxer in the 90s and this era. (although he probably will retire soon).

well thats my opinion.

important edit!! :

how the hell can i forget about evander holyfield? wtf man!? i should be punished by the boxing gods right now.

Todays Manny Pacquiao for sure no doubt....

[intoccabile]

Hmm

Joshua Clottey, imo.
Does everything properly.

[ReadyUp]

I can't count Hopkins. He's very wily and smart. But not technically sound per say. He charges in with his head, ****s with you his elbows and hips.

Bernard's head is a boxing knowledge bank. But not very conventional.

I think it's Iron boy all day. James Toney's up there as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAUA3eYyPw

Don't get me wrong. That was one of the most clinical performances I've ever seen and a true masterpiece.
Then take a fight like the Tarver fight where once again he put on a ridiculously good performance but he did it using his defense to shake straight forward opponents up.

Bernard's strength is too move away from you, get yourself to open up, then throw his head and bore his way into you so your not going to get a clean shot at him. Name one other fighter who fights this way? There isn't many and that's what makes Bernard one of a kind. But that's far from FUNDAMENTAL. And at times that's what's made Bernard hard to watch. (not me personally, but from other fans)

Iron Boy is coming in and out at all angles with his hands up and legs first. Not crashing into someone after a right hand lead. Everything is textbook done with precision.

Bernard is as cold as they come but your not going to teach a newcomer the basics by watching Bernard fight. This is also the reason he wasn't able to hold off elite athlete's like Jones, Taylor, and Calzaghe. He couldn't distance himself enough off of them to use his jump in offense.